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A Scandal In Belgravia » Beautiful geek in safety goggles » June 4, 2012 4:21 am

Scandal in Belgravia.  Toward the beginning, when John is blogging at the kitchen table. "no, no, don't mention the unsolved ones.".  I laugh out loud every time I see it, it really isn't flattering and that makes it refreshing as well as believable.

A Scandal In Belgravia » Beautiful geek in safety goggles » June 4, 2012 3:59 am

I would love to get a good picture of Sherlock in those safety goggles, when he's got the blow torch.  I don't know anything about capturing the shot myself, does anyone happen to know if there's something out there already?  Thanks...!

A Scandal In Belgravia » Cigarettes in Scandal » June 3, 2012 5:56 pm

Ooh.  I just looked up "la petite mort" in Wikipedia.  Multiple meanings, all relevant.

A Scandal In Belgravia » The Coventry Blitz Conspiracy » June 3, 2012 4:10 pm

Thanks, Britgander!  Yes, I admit I prefer not to peer behind the curtain, much easier to assume all will be well.  When I first started working at a bank (many many years ago) and came to know all the odd erratic very smart but a bit wild programmers handling the software, I started telling my friends and family (only half joking) they might be safer with their money stuffed into a mattress!

A Scandal In Belgravia » The misidentification. » June 3, 2012 3:39 pm

Oh Aurora, good observation!  I skipped right over the "how did she manage the body double" question!  I was just enjoying the show.... Tch.  It does raise some harsh questions.  We know Irene is cold and calculating, but planting a dead body, yikes, that is a bit out of character.  Even if Jim orchestrated it, it takes Irene's game to a nastier level.

And ... Oh hell.  If Sherlock recognized it wasn't Irene, then all that gooey stuff we got to see about Sherlock in pain was a ruse.  When he's composing his sad music, he tells John... "helps me to think.". Sherlock doesn't eat when he's working something out.  John and Mrs. Hudson exchange meaningful looks with each other (and us) but perhaps they (and we) are once again under/overestimating Sherlock.  Irene has fully engaged Sherlock, yes, but not in sentiment.

Still, Sherlock is not entirely clear-headed with The Woman.  He decodes the airline seating message without hesitation... Mycroft is right to scold him for being a show-off.  He doesn't recognize that Irene has used him as a pawn in a larger game.  "Not you, junior.  You're done now" is very possibly one of the coldest lines in the entire series.  I gasped, I did.

And now I will have to watch it again with this new angle of interpretation....!  Thanks, Aurora.

A Scandal In Belgravia » Cigarettes in Scandal » June 3, 2012 2:07 pm

Since most of the tv I watch is scrubbed squeaky clean of cigarettes these days, I was struck to see it in this episode.  I don't remember seeing cigarettes smoked in the first season, am I remembering rightly?  And there's the great opening bit in Hound where Sherlock is breaking the habit.  A nice transition.  How about the Fall?  I remember apples, and chewing gum and tea cups.... No cigarettes?

I will do more homework, and see if this observation holds water.  In the meantime i'll make a short note here, let me know what you think.

Mycroft offers Sherlock a cigarette after Sherlock identifies Irene's body from not-her-face.  She's not dead but none of us know that yet.  Sherlock smokes, low tar, "Well, you barely knew her", great stuff.

Mycroft smokes a cigarette waiting for John in front of Speedy's, waiting to tell him to tell Sherlock that Irene is in witness protection, no actually she's dead, beheaded, gone.

Hm.  When does one have a cigarette?  After a good meal.  Mid-afternoon break from work.  Oh.  And after a good ...shagging, is that the right term?  But this is Sherlock and Mycroft, no sex for you!  There is however lots of tension and intellectual stimulation, uncertainy, excitement and release... well, I thought so, anyway.   . And isn't it just like the Holmes boys?  The game with Irene is better than sex, no wonder they reach for a post-coital cigarette.

(This doesn't match my previous hypothesis that Mycroft knows Irene is alive at the end.  But I can hold multiple parallel universes in my mind to support a theory.   )

A Scandal In Belgravia » Scenes Cut From U.S. Broadcast » June 3, 2012 1:18 pm

Just watched the PBS version again last night, and read a transcript by Ariane DeVere, quite complete.  This thread mentions the breakup with Jeanette, but I think the most interesting and important thing PBS viewers missed was the danger night business.  Mycroft may have offered Sherlock the cig in a gesture of comfort (that's what I saw) but he was multi-tasking, as always- it was a test of Sherlock's state of mind.  Then the call to John, he and Mrs. Hudson searching the flat... Implies an established working relationship, they are all monitoring Sherlock now when needs be.  And Sherlock knows it, based on his sock index comment.  (hysterical, btw.  How many kinds of black socks are there?  Sorry, I'm not schooled in men's fashion, there are probably LOTS.)

Anyway, all this means is that I must get the DVD, and very soon.....     

A Scandal In Belgravia » The Coventry Blitz Conspiracy » June 2, 2012 2:28 pm

Thank you for these links, Davina and SH.  Heartbreaking.  Reminds me how lucky I am to have somehow missed the tragedies of war, any war, in my life so far.

Seems there are still many opinions out there about foreknowledge and decisions.  I won't pretend to have one.  I think it is true that one of the reasons that we like fictional characters like Mycroft is that it reassures us that somebody out there knows everything, is managing everything, will make all the decisions and let us cheer or jeer them with impunity.

Well, I say "we/us".  I mean to say "I/me".

My guess is that the truth of any situation like this is that it is a lot more chaotic and ill-defined than any of us would like to know.

This also reminds me that the writers of Sherlock are always walking a fine line.  Storytelling works best when it has reality mixed in (as they demonstrate in the Fall), the trick is to find the right balance.  Reading about those real casualties at Coventry, the real mass burials there... Then to think of Mycroft's outrageous solution, an airplane full of corpses... It makes my stomach curl.  But there it is, you see, I was delighted with Bond Air when I was watching Scandal, how very clever!  Only afterwards does it leach into my mind that it could be regarded as a bit "not good".

Not sure I am being clear.  Love Sherlock, murder mysteries in general.  Simply musing on my willingness to get delightfully lost in fictional tragedy while at the same time abhorring the real thing.  I suppose this is natural, how would writers make a living otherwise?   

Character Analysis » Sherlock's relationship with Mycroft » June 1, 2012 1:29 pm

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Aurora, thank you!  So gratifying when someone says "yes, I agree"! . Glad the link worked, I am functional online but still lacking experience in so many areas...

Tantalus, I plan to watch season two again this weekend, if I have time, and I will watch Scandal carefully to assess Mycroft's competence (or lack thereof.). My general impression is that Irene has simply thrown an unexpected wrench into every character's game, and they all fail in various ways as a result of her presence.  John gets agitated and jealous, Sherlock blathers on and is distracted, Mycroft can't calculate and control everything as he is accustomed to.  She is an outside factor redefining the equation, and everyone is trying to cope.

Of course, I am watching the PBS versions, so I'm missing some moments, argh.  Must get the DVD very soon!

Character Analysis » Sherlock's relationship with Mycroft » May 31, 2012 11:06 am

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I agree, the relationship between Sherlock and Mycroft is fascinating.  And feels very natural, although expressed extremely.  Mycroft protective, Sherlock resenting interference.  Family.

I enjoyed mk hey's analysis of the brothers very much.  Wholocked, you provided a link there back in March.  I added a bit recently to the discussion there, about what everyone knew and didn't know at the end of sip... In the scene at Speedy's between Mycroft and John, that started with that heavenly view from above, of Mycroft's umbrella in the rain.

Sorry, not sure how to make that a hyperlink.  Let me know what you think, thanks!

Introductions Please... » Oops » May 28, 2012 3:32 pm

"Boffin", "Bachelor", now I have one too- LSM!  Thanks, m0r, I am honored!   

Introductions Please... » Oops » May 28, 2012 1:22 pm

Wholocked, Davina, sherlockskitty- thanks for the welcome!  I fear I will be an intermittent contributor, life does get in the way.  But there's time enough, and I'm looking forward to exploring Sherlock with you.

Thanks sherlockskitty, I found my name several years ago, in an astrology book called the Medicine Wheel, here's a link to a summary

No, I don't believe in astrology, no, I'm not native American- doesn't mean I can't appreciate it  .  I was born under the moon of Long Snows.  It seemed to fit.

See you on the boards!

Introductions Please... » Oops » May 28, 2012 5:29 am

It appears I should have started here, instead of plunging headlong into a new post.  Apologies.

I wish I could say I am from someplace interesting in the US, but that would be a big lie.  Ohio is one of the Great Lakes states, we tend toward earnest but tedious.  Well, maybe not all of us, i might just be describing myself.

Regardless.  I got hooked on Sherlock last year, and slowly became/continue to become aware of 1) What an amazing show it is; 2) what an astonishing fandom it has drawn to itself.

Truly.  I haven't been this caught up in something since... Well, let's just say its been a while.  I'm really enjoying it, thanks for being here!

The Reichenbach Fall » What is Moriarty really up to? » May 27, 2012 3:16 pm

Aurora, I really like this.  I'm not a careful reader, so won't comment point by point, but... Your question and musings are great!  We get so tangled in seeing things from John's perspective.  But if the writing is good, (and I think it is) then each character has a valid, coherent view, and their actions make sense to them (even if another character, or we the audience, misinterpret).

Jim certainly does seem to be testing Sherlock.  He sees himself, then is disappointed, then is encouraged again.  Like a professor with a student.  And certainly he sees that, in addition to destroying Sherlock's reputation, he needs to burn away any bit of humanity/sanity Sherlock may be harboring.  What will remain?  A creation in Jim's image.  So very good-  although he encourages Sherlock to jump, doesn't he always say it in a bored manner, as if Sherlock's suicide would be a disappointment?  (sorry, I'll have to back and watch the darn thing AGAIN.). What WE see is Jim telling Sherlock to jump, because that's what we think is the right thing to do in that impossible situation.  What Jim is really asking Sherlock to do is discard those little bits of humanity, let his friends die, and STAY ALIVE.

Sorry, I think I'm just repeating most of what you already said in this great post!  Consider it a compliment, please.  Thanks!

The Reichenbach Fall » Garden of Eden images in the Fall » May 25, 2012 2:01 am

So, I seem to have also revealed myself to be alarmingly unfamiliar with English literature.  Milton.  Paradise Lost.  Where was I when my fellow students were reading it?  In the chem lab, perhaps, or hiding my nose in a math notebook.  Thanks to Andy for pointing out this gap in my hard drive, and thanks to Wikipedia and SparkNotes for giving me a glimpse of Milton's creation.

I found just one bit that I'd like to add to this Garden of Eden storyline.  Turns out (stop me if you've heard this one) that the archangel Uriel got tricked by Satan into revealing critical top secret info: where to find Adam and Eve.  Leading to the apple, the Fall and all the rest of the story.

Sound familiar?  Oh Mycroft.  You too-good-to-be-true, secret-blabbing, flawed guardian angel, you.

(Sidebar: I don't for one minute believe that Jim actually pulled the wool over Mycroft's eyes.  But that's my own interpretation, we'll find out what really happened next season.)

Thanks for listening, I'm having a blast!

The Reichenbach Fall » Garden of Eden images in the Fall » May 25, 2012 1:53 am

Thanks for the pointer to the IOU discussion, Davina.  Succinct observations on the Garden of Eden angle.  Wow, a great thread starter, m0r, and it went in all directions as everyone added their observations and ideas.  I think there must be something to IOU, particularly as it is repeated visually and verbally multiple times.  But I must admit I don't have any clues about it.

Sammy, you caught me out.  So much safer to live in one's head than in the heart, isn't it?  I can talk and talk (and will do more in a minute!), but there is no denying the sadness and heartache of the choices Sherlock made.  John, watching his best friend leap to his death, listening to Sherlock throw his life's work away as if it were cheap rubbish; there are no words.  Always dangerous to imagine what Sherlock feels, but certainly it pained him to deny his accomplishments, not because they made him famous or mysterious, but because the Science of Deduction is his bedrock belief.  And perhaps he realized in dismay up there, as he heard the anguish in John's voice (thank you John, as always, reminding Sherlock), the sorrow he would be visiting on his friends (yes, plural) when he completed his plan and took the fall Jim so dearly wanted to give him.

I must admit, m0r, I would love to be a fly on the wall when the writers are batting about ideas and layering on references, plot points, character development, red herrings and inside jokes!  They say it is a difficult job, and I believe them- but what a delight it must be to get such fervent feedback from the fans!

The Reichenbach Fall » Garden of Eden images in the Fall » May 23, 2012 4:14 am

I'll begin with an apology- have only seen the Fall once, haven't scoured the Internet for this, and I am woefully unschooled in what I generally refer to as "Bible stuff".  Any corrections, enhancements or additions are more than welcome...

But certainly there are many references, yes?

Moriarity offers Sherlock an apple... An apple that has already had a bite taken from it.  No Eve in sight, but the image is pretty clear.

In the ACD story, Moriarity is described so:  "his face slowly oscillating from side to side in a curiously reptilian fashion".  Snake-like, in fact.  Aha.

"I owe you a fall" Jim says.  My girlfriend and I were pondering the phrase, why say it quite that way... But in light of the Garden of Eden picture, well, of course.  That's how the story goes, doesn't it?  Sherlock/Adam is gonna fall right out of grace.

And what remains behind when Jim/snake leaves 221b?  Knowledge, the key to EVERYthing.  (well, ok, not really as we find out later, but that's later.). Thanks to Carol for that insight!

Musing a little more broadly....

221b Baker is the Garden of Eden?  And Sherlock is in a state of innocence there, pure mind- no mucking about with human frailty.  So when he falls... When his eyes are opened to the significance of his friendships and his feelings... Something is lost, certainly.  But his humanity is gained.

And he is banished!  Just got that, he cannot return to the Garden, he is dead to that world.  When we finally see him again, he will be changed.

And, ok, this is a stretch.  But when we watched the Fall, it seemed there were many hands reaching out to each other, handshakes in words and action.  Just as God reaches to Adam in Michelangelo's Creation of Adam.  Am I working too hard to make connections now?

And really, the title of the episode... Yes, of course, Sherlock falls from a building.  He falls from media-Internet stardom.  But this is also his personal fall from perfection, his fall into messy emotional attachments of "re

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