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The Final Problem » Theories, connected with "Sherlock" » January 28, 2017 3:39 pm

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besleybean wrote:

To be fair, he didn't know there was no glass!

Well nor did Sherlock even though he was standing in front of it. (Don't even get me started on the glass).

Fact is, glass or no glass hardly mattered given Mycroft said she enslaved people just by "talking" to them.

The Final Problem » Theories, connected with "Sherlock" » January 28, 2017 3:34 pm

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SusiGo wrote:

ewige wrote:

I have nothing clever to add to that, but what do you mean "continuity errors with the lamps", Rache?

I think this refers to a scene in which a lamp in 221b keeps going on and off within the same scene and without any explanation. I saw screenshots of this but I cannot remember which scene it was. 

About the theories: I think it is telling that people try to find alternative explanations of the many plotholes and inconsistencies within the show. I enjoyed series 4 but there are indeed some things that would leave me dissatisfied if the show ended here. Therefore to me it is a creative way of dealing with one's perception of the show. In this case, however, I would always prefer a "in Sherlock's head" solution because there are so many things in TFP John could not have known. 
 

This was during the grenade explosion scene in 221B. The lamps were on when the three men were discussing their escape, but as soon as the countdown began and they started running, all the lamps were off. Literally from one shot to the next, for no apparent reason.

I think this theory about John is interesting, but SusiGo, I would tend to agree with you... TFP told from Sherlock's perspective makes much more sense than if it was told from John's. Aside from the family history that John couldn't possibly have known, it would also explain a number of things about Mycroft...

For example:
Why he is shown as "fat Mycroft" in the flashbacks, even though Mycroft was definitely not fat in the photo of him and Sherlock at the beach as kids (this photo is in 221B). The only "fat Mycroft" we've seen to date had basically all been in Sherlock's head.

Why Sherlock had always been the "grown up"!?! http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/confused.png


Why Mycroft was dumbed down a lot in TFP... in fact his character portrayal confused me at times. For example it was John who recognised it was the Governor speaking in the Eurus CCTV video. (Mycroft di

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Unanswered questions/ plot holes post S4 » January 26, 2017 12:40 am

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nakahara wrote:

Also, I would very much like to see something like this in the story:

http://northray.tumblr.com/post/156354351180/johnlockedness-addignisherlock

+1
I'd like to see Sherlock stick up for himself too. And I'd like to see the show address Sherlock's underlying low self-esteem. This particular aspect of how his character is written had never sat too well with me (even though Benedict's portrayal of it is very impressive.)

The Final Problem » Questions about TFP » January 23, 2017 9:59 pm

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Lis wrote:

Possibly, but you'd think that even if they didn't think she were capable you'd have a quick look everywhere just to make sure. Also when she started referring to him as "drowned Redbeard" that must have set some alarm bells ringing. It might have indeed been too late by then to save him but clearly as the bones were in the well they didn't ever find him.

+1 on this. "Drowned Redbeard" must have been a pretty obvious giveaway...

The Final Problem » Still unexplained secrets? » January 23, 2017 9:57 pm

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SusiGo wrote:

besleybean wrote:

My only one is: Who did upset Mummy then, as referred to as the end of SIP?

This is actually a very good question because what is the reason of Sherlock's and Mycroft's resentment? Did Sherlock always feel that his brother was keeping something from him? Did he subconsciously suspect that Mycroft tried to control him and his memories? I feel we did not get a real explanation about the origin of their feud. 
 

And how and why did Sherlock get started on drugs when he was younger? Why did he say he had never known happy families?

This contradicts with what we have been shown thus far, where Mr. and Mrs. Holmes are both portrayed as loving parents who care about their children. Sherlock is also clearly mummy's favourite? Why is he referred to as the "grown up" when that's not been the case throughout the series? (Both John and Greg had been implying he's a child/ baby as recently as TST.)


 

The Final Problem » TFP: Real, EMP or John's TAB? (If there's proof, there's a chance) » January 21, 2017 4:44 pm

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angel-loving-star wrote:

besleybean wrote:

I definitely think it's all real.
Because if it wasn't...we would still have the problem of Eurus and Redbeard to deal with and I think we're done with these now.

well that's true ;) I was trying to get my head around the writing problems of the episode and if it all was real either they did it on purpose or they have something else in mind so yeah I'm just gonna wait for them to finally talk to social media because this crazy silence is weird

No that's not necessarily true. By now I'm sure we're all in agreement that Sherlock solved the problem of Emilia Ricoletti and The Abominable Bride whilst in his mind palace... and that clearly "wasn't real" in the sense that it didn't happen in the modern day storyline. So what stops him from solving the problems of Eurus and Redbeard in the same way?

Additional materials which completes the storyline of S4 would not necessarily mean negating what has been shown to us already.

 

The Final Problem » What is real in TFP? » January 20, 2017 10:34 pm

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besleybean wrote:

I know and I never took any notice of it before.
This time is different.
Are people really not seeing TFP as an end?
It's an obvious end to me.

A final episode which is an obvious rip off of about 20 different horror movies, scene for scene? 
Erm... no I certainly do not see this as a fitting final ending.
 

The Final Problem » What is real in TFP? » January 20, 2017 10:05 pm

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But they wouldn't have had to shoot a whole separate episode. If the plot of the fourth one is to recount the *real* sequence of events throughout the previous three, then all they would have needed to do was shoot additional scenes *thoughout all three episodes*. In fact, if you go through the setlock diaries, it is clear there are complete scenes filmed throughout the whole summer that we never saw in the three episodes that have aired.

Right now we are on the total count of 13 episodes of Sherlock. I personally don't buy into all of the (often far fetched) conspiracy theories... but I believe there will be a 14th episode of Sherlock for a slightly different reason.

Basil Rathbone and Nigel Bruce made 14 films of Sherlock Holmes in the 40s. We all know by now this is by far Gatiss and Moffat's favourite series of Sherlock Holmes. They are real fanboys of this series... So it is almost illogical to believe they would just stop at 13 and not do a 14th episode. To them, 14 episodes which mimic Rathbone/ Bruce would probably be (their) wish fulfilment.

 

The Final Problem » What is real in TFP? » January 20, 2017 9:31 pm

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Mothonthemantel wrote:

I am starting to think it was maybe Johns drugged death dream in the way TAB was Sherlocks.
We did see him shot with a gun and the last thing he heard was did you ever imagine Sherlock had a secret sister and we know he is a horror fan from the Omen v Exorcist conversation.

Not to mention John is a James Bond fan as well...

I feel that the three episodes of Series 4 were all told from different people's perspectives and none of them were 100% real. If (big if) there is a fourth episode, then the most logical plot would be an account of the real sequence of events that occurred throughout the previous three episodes.


 

The Final Problem » Questions about TFP » January 17, 2017 10:31 pm

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Preceja wrote:

TheOtherOne wrote:

Sherlock killed Magnussen on Christmas Day 2014. The events of season 4, with Mary giving birth etc. must follow straight on from S3 story line, which means the show is currently in 2015. "Christmas 5 years ago" would have been 2010. That was the night of the Christmas party in 221B when Sherlock discovered Irene's phone on the mantlepiece (and her fake death).

According to CAM Sherlock was dead 2010-2013. So was not it rather Christmas 2009 ?

No. That's 2011-2013

https://31.media.tumblr.com/9aa17051bbf741c6f2d8fcca39dfbbd4/tumblr_inline_mztt6m5wrl1rbapxx.gif

 

The Final Problem » Things we loved about TFP! » January 17, 2017 9:45 pm

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Mycroft's sword+gun umbrella reveal (I was at the BFI preview screening and everyone literally erupted into cheers when that happened.)

Mycroft's character development throughout the episode, including his willingness to sacrifice his life to save John and/ or make the choice easier for Sherlock.

Sherlock to Mycroft "Do shut up dear" http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/lol.png


Moriarty - "I want to break free" and The Hungry Donkey.

Sherlock asking Greg to look after his brother.

Greg's line at the end "He's a good one!"

The violin duet at the end was beautiful music.




 

The Final Problem » Questions about TFP » January 17, 2017 9:29 pm

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NoSheetSherlock wrote:

Schmiezi wrote:

A little question: they kept saying Moriarty visited Eurus five years ago. What happened on the show five years ago? Was it even before the pool scene? Some when during ASIB?

I am really lousy with understanding the time frame of the show.

 

Didn't Mycroft have him all during the Hounds of Baskerville timeframe "we interrogated him for weeks".. ?

ASiB seems more likely.

Sherlock killed Magnussen on Christmas Day 2014. The events of season 4, with Mary giving birth etc. must follow straight on from S3 story line, which means the show is currently in 2015. "Christmas 5 years ago" would have been 2010. That was the night of the Christmas party in 221B when Sherlock discovered Irene's phone on the mantlepiece (and her fake death).

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Unanswered questions/ plot holes post S4 » January 17, 2017 9:05 pm

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Lis wrote:

Not so much of a plot hole for series 4 but at the of of TAB Sherlock says "Moriarty is dead. More importantly, I know exactly what he's going to do next​." but then in series 4 he doesn't seem to address this or know exactly what Moriarty is going to do next. In TST he says he is just going to wait for Moriarty to make his move. It's like instead of "exactly" he actually meant was "something, I know he is going to do something next" which isn't nearly as dramatic http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/lol.png
 

In TST when Lady Smallwood asks Sherlock about his comment before Sherlock can answer Sir Edwin makes a comment and then Sherlock doesn't answer the question. Did Mofftiss just realise they couldn't have an actual answer for what Moriarty was supposed to do next and so just quickly glossed over it?

Yup this is one of the items on my list... feels like a bit of a cop out to me. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/sad.png

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Unanswered questions/ plot holes post S4 » January 17, 2017 12:46 pm

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Wanted to start a thread to log all of the outstanding questions/ plot holes that remain post S4.

List so far (I'll keep adding to it) includes:

* What was in John's note to Sherlock at end of TST?
* Why was there a note which said "13th" on Mycroft's fridge? ("Where" was Mycroft in that scene? It certainly didn't look like the mansion setting in TFP?)
* Alicia/ Elizabeth Smallwood?
* Who was Culverton Smith and Eurus' "mutual friend"?
* What is Sherlock's recurring dream?
* How was Eurus actually "written out" from Sherlock's memories? (That's what she claimed in TFP).
* What were Sherlock's trigger words that Mycroft referred to? (Aside from the obvious one... Redbeard).
* If Moriarty's little "miss me" video was really Eurus all along, what did Sherlock "think" it meant when he told everyone at end of TAB that he knows "what he's going to do next"?
* If Moriarty knew Sherlock would end up in the locked room with Mycroft (Holmes killing Holmes) as part of Eurus' game, that meant he knew Sherlock would survive the fall! Why hire those assassins to target John, Lestrade and Mrs. Hudson??? He set all that up just to kill himself?
* Who is posting those "Miss Me" and "Miss You" DVDs for Mary post her death?
* Why is "Hound of the Baskervilles" one of Sherlock's pressure points? Why was it listed without a "see file" note on Magnussen's list?

 

The Final Problem » Questions about TFP » January 17, 2017 11:55 am

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Based on how Eurus is depicted in TFP, it is not feasible for her to have role played the other three characters in TST and TLD (bus lady, therapist and Faith Smith).

In TFP, it is clear that she is someone who has no empathy or emotions. Throughout her locked room puzzles she even asks Sherlock and Mycroft etc. to give her verbal explanation of their emotional state so she can gauge their levels of anxiety. She cannot tell what is beautiful or painful either.

Therefore, how could she possibly dress up as someone beautiful that she knows John would fall for, engage in a text conversation/ affair for a prolonged period (emotions), become a therapist who is talking through someone's emotional problems as well as able to spot and understand non-verbal queues (such as John looking at imaginary Mary), or act as Faith Smith who was, as she pretended, emotionally traumatised and suicidal? Isn't that like... weird?

The Final Problem » Our favorite villains » January 17, 2017 11:28 am

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My favourite up until S4 had always been Moriarty. But after The Final Problem I'm not sure anymore...

As a result of introducing a character that doesn't even exist in ACD canon, they have reduced Moriarty to some puppet who basically recorded stupid video clips for an even bigger bad boss Eurus. I'm still not sure how I feel about that... but it's disappointing.

The Final Problem » Questions about TFP » January 16, 2017 12:58 am

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My biggest open question... Eurus' X'mas present was 5 mins unsupervised conversation with Moriarty. Moriarty's X'mas present in return was "Redbeard". What was that about? He never even mentioned Redbeard when he was playing mind games with Sherlock before his death! There's like no linkage whatsoever?

All the other bizarre points about how John escaped when chained to bottom of well, no injuries from explosion, how most of 221B including books survived a grenade blast and fire etc. also bother me a lot, but they aren't necessarily plot holes like the Moriarty question.

Sigh... I'm so confused by this episode.

Series Four News » BFI screening 12 January (may contain TFP spoilers) » January 13, 2017 6:45 pm

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TheOtherOne wrote:

besleybean wrote:

Sorry, I honestly don't know how to get a link to it on here...

Click on Nakahara's first spoiler box, follow that link and then scroll right down the Twitter feed it takes you to.

I think it's been removed. But I assume this was Moffatt's response to one of the questions during Q&A last night? (I was there...)

Ok I found the video. I'm a bit upset people actually recorded this given Steven and Mark both asked us nicely not to record or disclose anything on more than one occasion during the screening.

Series Four News » BFI screening 12 January (may contain TFP spoilers) » January 13, 2017 6:23 pm

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besleybean wrote:

Sorry, I honestly don't know how to get a link to it on here...

Click on Nakahara's first spoiler box, follow that link and then scroll right down the Twitter feed it takes you to.

I think it's been removed. But I assume this was Moffatt's response to one of the questions during Q&A last night? (I was there...)

Series Four News » BFI screening 12 January (may contain TFP spoilers) » January 13, 2017 6:10 pm

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besleybean wrote:

Oh well I'm sorry for mentioning it on the JL thread, then!
Thanks, Nakahara: I scrolled down and watched the vid, did everybody else?
Steven was excellent as usual.
He gave the answer I would have expected and I can only agree with him.

Which vid are you referring to?

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