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Meet The Members » Post Your Absence » May 16, 2017 11:32 am

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Just leaving a note that I won't be around here any longer  - probably for quite some time. My mind has been on Sherlock for a long time recent years and it was amazing but right now I feel I am moving on to other things. The last episode somehow... I don't know, it was an end story-wise but also for me emotionally, it felt like a bittersweet break-up. Sounds strange to say that, but I just realised that I haven't watched any Sherlock or followed related stuff for quite some time and didn't feel the need for it, and that this forum suddenly felt like a place "I used to be".
Can I just say: I loved the time here. I loved sharing this devotion. I still love everything that was given to us. I guess I will be back if there is any new Sherlock on the horizon - I won't stop praying there will be. Thanks & cu then. So long

Meet The Members » Whatever happened to...? » February 3, 2017 10:53 am

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I miss kornmuhme. Still online, put not posting? Miss discussing with you.
You still out there somewhere? :-)
 

Other » Free Rants » January 20, 2017 6:13 pm

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Thank you, Phantom, for your kind words. Actually, it is really nice to hear someone say: congratulations, you got up today.

I know that feeling of "I wish you didn't understand". It's not like I want my friends to feel the same so they could understand properly. But at the same time, not being understood also hurts. Empathy can do the trick as well, but I feel so many people are stuck in their own fights and stress, it is hard to show empathy nowadays.

Ah, giving up... that's not on. There will be Sherlock in the future!! (Well, maybe. Hopefully!) But there is also Dr. Who. Or Cadbury Chocolate, or... whatever. There is always something Takes some life experience to fall in love with the smallest things <3 But works every time for me.

Ok, enough of that. I'm waving that magic wand with you!
 

Other » Free Rants » January 20, 2017 4:45 pm

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People shouting on the bus just because the driver didn't open the door fast enough. Why can't they be nice to each other?

I do hate depression. I really really really do!!! I'm exhausted, and sick of feeling this way. Sick of fighting all the time. How do people do this I am also so sick of people not realising what it means. I would gladly trade a leg if I would never have to feel this way again. I feel like I want to curl up in a corner with other people who are such affected, just because they actually get it. Another friend saying "oh, I also don't feel sooo well today" and I will smash things
 

The Final Problem » Hints of the Final Problem in previous episodes? » January 17, 2017 10:39 am

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Liberty wrote:

Interesting that Magnussen presumably knew who Redbeard was (it wouldn't have been too hard to find out that Sherlock's friend disappeared when he was little, I suppose), but Sherlock doesn't know. 

I think he got that from Mycroft, without context.
 

The Final Problem » Our favorite villains » January 17, 2017 10:25 am

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I found CAM to be the worst. He had a coldness about him that I couldn't see in the others.
 

Character Analysis » Sherlock and generousity/forgiveness (all seasons) » January 17, 2017 10:24 am

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I am not sure if this is any kind of moral compass. In the beginning I thought, maybe that is his low self esteem in regard to emotions and relationships... he isn't willing to loose people (which he wouldn't admit), even if they hurt him, he wants them to stay around him, so he is forgiving even if they hurt him. I thought it a bit unhealthy.

I think he holds grudges, though. He definitely pouts, even if he pretends not too. But, what I think is amazing, how very much he always tries to resolve issues. He isn't okay with letting people walk away, he goes after them - if he cares.

I see two cold sides of Sherlock: the one where he hides his emotions so he won't be hurt, and the other, where he deliberately is cruel to gain information or to solve a case.

Even if the first might be overcome now, the second will still be there, I think. Which I find interesting, because as we see with Mycroft in TFP, compassionate people find it rather hard to kill or to be cruel.

 

The Final Problem » Hints of the Final Problem in previous episodes? » January 17, 2017 10:06 am

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I wonder about Moriarty. So his intention was to get Sherlock killed, and himself as well, or that's what I thought in TRF.

I used to think the final problem was very close connected to "staying alive". To the way Moriarty was so bored, brilliant minded but bored.

If he intended to kill both of them, why put up a riddle. If he didn't intend to kill both of them, why bother about that dramatic set-up on the roof. Except from Sherlock jumping, there was no gain, was there. It was about Sherlock dying, and if it wasn't, why would he shoot himself? He seems to be the kind of man who would want to see the pay-off. What if Eurus never got out of that cell. What if she changed her mind - she isn't a reliable person to carry out some plan from years ago. Moriarty would have been dead and nothing would have happened to Sherlock. What kind of plan is that?

And Eurus... I don't understand her need for cruelty on Sherlock. I understand her desire to kill off John or Mycroft, because she wants Sherlock for herself. But why agree with Moriarty to set up such a game for Sherlock? When all she wants to have is his friendship, compassion, attention, whatever?
Of course, to her mind, probably complicated is the new easy. I would never expect her to create a very easy scenario. But what does she know about Moriarty and Sherlock? Who would inform her about them? Apparently only Mycroft was in touch, and the only hint we get is how he exchanges information with Moriarty that one time. Would he have told Moriarty about Eurus? Too dangerous, if he wanted to protect Sherlock - Moriarty would have certainly used the information on Sherlock. Moriarty doesn't strike me to be a type to keep secrets that hold potentional to hurt s.o.

So, no, for me it's all loose ends, and no conclusion. I agree with everyone who said they only worked towards this from a very late point onwards.

Which makes me wonder - when exactly where the scripts written? We know filming dates, but do we know when the s

The Final Problem » Not a fan of this episode » January 16, 2017 3:19 pm

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I'm trying to rewatch, because some people mentioned scenes I apparently missed. Some scenes where nicer than expected the second time. But overall... still not really fond.
 

The Final Problem » Not a fan of this episode » January 16, 2017 12:34 pm

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diva, right now I feel the same about rewatching. But I will try it, sometime.

I think, if the first sadness and emotional response is over, I might be able to enjoy TFP for what it is. But I cannot enjoy it right now for what I hoped it was. I will have to go back to zero and tell myself: this is what you get, that's all there is, now find the goodies. And I will. I'm sure.

Just right now, I'm suffering from the impact. It's a relationship thing. You will get over it, and some long time after the break-up, you can have a coffee and see it for what it is, and that it had it's good enjoyable moments. But right now, it's like many people are celebrating a wedding while I'm having a broken heart. And it was a long, intense, wonderful relationship. You always want the probably last conversation you have with each other to be a good, conclusive one. You don't want to feel like hanging in the air, stuttering "but why?".

I will probably be nicer to the episode in a few weeks. Maybe even days. But not right now http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/cry.png
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The Final Problem » Questions about TFP » January 16, 2017 12:19 pm

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Liberty wrote:

I think she was in ASIB - came to Sherlock with a case of a missing body which turned out to be part of the Bond/Coventry plot, with the plane full of dead people.  I think that's why Sherlock imagined that particular little girl. 
 

Wow, that's cool.

The Final Problem » Not a fan of this episode » January 16, 2017 12:14 pm

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gently69 wrote:

Whisky wrote:

I wonder, is there an objective way to judge this show?
 

If you are not emotionally connected there certainly is.
Our problem... loving that show with all of our heart. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/sad.png

 

Quite so. Or, in other immortal words: "Always."

The Final Problem » Not a fan of this episode » January 16, 2017 11:57 am

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Thanks for your kind answers
The "feeling bad" is mainly for the point that Swanpride makes: I assume the writers did their very best. And if somebody does their very best, I feel sorry if I don't like it. But I agree with you, Swanpride, that sometimes less is more indeed. But they pulled it off in HLV, which also felt big and dark, but it kept the balance. If I expected anyone to pull it off again, it would be them. For me, they never needed to "up the stakes". They had me from the very first episode. They could have made more and more of that. I wouldn't have run anywhere.

I wonder. I keep wondering. It was the fans who connected to this show, who loved it to such bits and pieces that the writers and actors where overwhelmed. I wonder what a show it would have been if we as fans hadn't been what we have been. I mean, the great thing about this show was not only the series itself, but the fandom. Maybe the simple reason they didn't want to "take back a little" was us.

I agree that Sherlock and John solving cases is the natural set-up that will always work best. But, I have to admit, Mycroft is such a great character, that I really don't mind any screen time he gets. Same for Molly, Mrs. Hudson and all the others. It is hard to please everyone. I hope the writers also see that the episode gets a lot of love from some.

I wonder, is there an objective way to judge this show?

 

The Final Problem » The Final Problem: First impressions » January 16, 2017 11:29 am

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I don't know what's going on, but can I say, this always felt like the one not-censored place where every opinion was welcome and diversity was a treat not a problem. I love this forum for it. Still do. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/love.png

But I can relate. E.g. I have always liked TBB, and it got loads of criticism. Yet... there were so many other episodes where I could easily relate to the same people that didn't share my opinion on that single one.
Why not keep to first impressions here, that obviously can be good or bad, because we aren't all the same. I think I can embrace any emotional first response to a Sherlock episode, because, you aren't disappointed if you don't love something to pieces, too.
(I can say for myself: I didn't like this episode, but GOD DO I LOVE BBC SHERLOCK!! Isn't that enough?)
And then we can hop over to another thread where we can mingle with like-minded people and celebrate - or mourn ;-)
I can only speak for myself, but because this episode has this feeling of being a conclusion of sorts, my feelings are all over the place. If I cannot put them here, then where?

The Final Problem » Horror movies referenced » January 16, 2017 11:12 am

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Ha! I knew I was missing something. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/lol.png
I haven't seen any of these films, sadly. Oh, wait, yes, I saw The Ring! Not my genre, but had I known them, would have laughed at the parallels.
This is cool. (doesn't make me like the episode much more, but it's... funny)
 

The Final Problem » "I'm not asking HOW you did it..." » January 16, 2017 11:08 am

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Stayin Alive wrote:

And I hear you Yitzock, but I believe what WhoIWantToBe is trying to say (and what I feel), is that from Series 3 to now, this show has lost its CHARACTER. Its now become a cheap imitation of other things all in the name of "surprising the fandom"

WhoIWantToBe wrote:

Further to your thoughts Stayin Alive, this went from a show that ONLY those writers could write, to a drama (dare I say soap opera) that feels liek anyone could write.  It isn't just tonally different, the entire character is different. It tried too hard to reinvent itself, and in my opinion, critically failed.

I wouldn't say cheap myself. I wouldn't say Soap Opera, either. But otherwise... the character bit, that feels quite true to me. There used to be something very unique about this Sherlock series. I found it harder and harder to catch it, in recent episodes.

I am not sure anyone could write it. But with the first episodes, the words "genius" where easy to say when it came to the writing and production - I just adored it, smaller flaws aside. I wouldn't use this word now. I think maybe it is just incredibly hard to keep something very unique for a longer time, not loosing quality. Change is needed, and it must be quite the accomplishment to change sth without changing the character of a show. I am not sure many could pull this off.
 

The Final Problem » Not a fan of this episode » January 16, 2017 10:57 am

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This is just me trying to understand why I didn't enjoy this episode as much as I hoped. I'm posting here, because I think it might offend some as "negativity" (which, in my case, is just sadness and disappointment).

I keep thinking maybe the episode works better in a cinema. It wasn't quite TV format, for me.

I didn't like the "feeling" of the episode, the atmosphere, so to say. It felt strange to me. I was for a very long time convinced that the whole thing is just a dream. I was surprised when it never stopped.

I cannot wrap my head around the drama, isolated island, superpower sister, trap-house. It's surreal, to me. I had difficulties to see the characters. In my maybe naive world, Sherlock Holmes was a man living in a flat in London, solving crimes. Sometimes big crimes, sometimes he needed to be a fighter. But I never got this Bond-feeling from the stories.

I was amazed about the reveal in TLD, I really liked that. I thought it was a clever way to introduce a sister. But then... I don't know. I expected something else. So maybe it was just my expectations that let me down. I wouldn't have minded her being locked away, her being unstable, any of that. But her having such powers, effectively ruling in a house on her own island? Very over the top for me.

Also, I didn't fancy seeing Moriarty again.

Also, for a season finale, I missed so many characters. I would have loved to see more of Molly. Or Mrs. Hudson. Or Lestrade.

And also, I missed 221b. I never missed it in Hounds of Baskerville, because that still felt like a trip to the countryside and back. But this, this wasn't a case. It really wasn't, for me. And I am not sure I want Sherlock without a case. It was more like a family-resolve.
Actually, I can say that, as a special, I would have liked this. As a stand-alone. An extra. It would still be over the top, but I wouldn't have minded so much. But there was so much still to resolve, plot-wise. And it got all thrown in on top of this escape game, and

The Final Problem » Questions about TFP » January 15, 2017 11:51 pm

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What about the "nicer"? Was that explained somewhere?
 

The Final Problem » The Final Problem: First impressions » January 15, 2017 11:44 pm

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nakahara wrote:

Whisky wrote:

Preceja wrote:

It is a show, but Sherrinford...... perfectly sane person would desire to kill after being locked at something like that for years. And even quite normal child grow into a monster.

I also wondered. Cleverness can be a challenge, but locking someone up in this thing... who wouldn't become insane. Also there were reasons why Eurus became that way. Apparently she was just a little girl which didn't get the attention she would have liked, and who didn't know what to do with her skills and abilities. Poor girl.

Well, after it was revealed that she drowned the little boy in the well before she was locked in an institution, my sympathy for her went into zero. (Also, after it was revealed that she killed the psychologist in TLD).

Yes, of course. Better phrased: she could have been someone else, maybe. About the loss of the chance of being someone else, someone healthy and happy, I can easily feel sorry.

 

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