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| A Scandal In Belgravia » Anyone Notice The Imitation Game reference? » June 30, 2016 12:12 pm |
- KOnAN83
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Cool!! I didn't noticed until I watched The Imitation Game for the third time. I think it was right before Benedict was in it, like, a few months?
| The Great Game » Janus Cars » June 30, 2016 12:08 pm |
- KOnAN83
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Sorry?! No reason to be, can't be sorry for what you don;t know than again thank you for it. Yes, It gives me more of an insight to the Carl Powers case and when Sherlock was young. If there was a way to go back to the school body and identify which was there. Well, it's a little irrelevant now right? Now, the mystery is, Moriarty...is he back? Or!!! is there a cult group that could be under Moriarty(maybe) Magnussen? Also, has anyone ever concluded if Moriarty was under Magnussen and was just waiting for Sherlock to kill Magnussen(maybe he knew he would already for John) to rise up again.
| Introductions Please... » Gay..I mean, 'Hey' » June 30, 2016 11:56 am |
- KOnAN83
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Glad to be here, Idk why it took me years to be on such a site.
Just look how Sherlock looks at John, It makes my heart ache. and then we have this ....
| A Scandal In Belgravia » Anyone Notice The Imitation Game reference? » June 29, 2016 9:49 pm |
- KOnAN83
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[url=]Did anyone notice when Irene was alone with Sherlock and he speaks out loud he's making a reference to
The Imitation Game? specifically this part.
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| The Great Game » Janus Cars » June 29, 2016 9:39 pm |
- KOnAN83
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James Norrington wrote:First of all, I am not quite sure what you're hinting at, therefore I'll try and write the things down as I see them:
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What I think, is, that Sherlock says that he had waited for this because after the cabbie called out Moriartys name, he knew that he was there somewhere and he waited for him to reveal himself. What do you think?
I've always loved the Janus Cars reference myself, because it's a clever part of the game Moriarty's playing with Sherlock. He's saying: 'Hey, the people may not be what they seem' and is also referencing to himself, which I love. Another clever part of this game was, that he went to check, whether Sherlock knew about him and to check if Sherlock would deduce the things about him he wanted him to (therefore the gay act). He even left him his number, but Sherlock (so it seems) didn't see it as important enough to call or research because apparently it was from someone he thought he knew enough about. Therefore, he had no idea it was in fact the man he was after since the cabbie called out the name. And he had no idea what he looked like, because Moriarty wouldn't use a real photo of his on the internet. I am quite sure that a person named 'James Moriarty' couldn't be found on the internet, but people who wanted to contact him, would know how to find him.
I am not sure though how long the person of 'Richard Brook' had existed before. First I thought he had to start with it after the Reichenbach case, but then, if Moriarty himself set up this case (because it was part of his game), he could have started with it a bit earlier on, because he knew, if that painting would disappear and Sherlock would return it, it would be a big thing in the press and therefore Sherlock would be able to get the name joke. But as we do not know how long Moriarty has been using the name of Richard Brook before, we cannot be certain whether the Janus Cars reference also has a meaning for this part of the game. I would see it only referencing
| Introductions Please... » Gay..I mean, 'Hey' » June 29, 2016 9:17 pm |
- KOnAN83
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Typing the words is easy, I guess for you guys being able to see it would be problematic. My apologies, trying this. Hopefully it works!
| The Great Game » Janus Cars » June 28, 2016 6:29 pm |
- KOnAN83
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In the 'The Great Game' There was a MAJOR hint in Janus Cars, in the Greek mythology, Janus was the god with two faces. We know later that Jim posed as Richard Brook to askew off the relations of Jim Moriarty. Now, why didn't Sherlock know who Moriarty was in 'The Great Game'? He is introduced to him by Molly, even Jim gives his number to Sherlock. In 'Study In Pink' the cabbie, in great pain, shouts to Sherlock who was behind it all, Moriarty. In 'The Great Game' Sherlock admits he has been waiting for this for a while, stating to the Carl Powers mystery. But at to what extent does he mean by that? Was he meaning that he knew(from the Cabbie) about Moriarty? Now, going back to the Janus theory, you would know that if Sherlock tried to look up Moriarty he wouldn't exist. And if somehow Richard Brook came up(before 'The Reichenbach Fall') he'd have no idea who that was only that he was an actor on a children's t.v show.
| It's Canon » Johnlock: The Official Debate » June 28, 2016 6:10 pm |
- KOnAN83
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NotYourHousekeeperDear wrote:
I love the idea that Johnlock was written as a bromance in the bbc version however I do have a few issues with the'evidence' presented above both in the canon and in the bbc version.
As someone who has lived a little bit of life and is also a psychologist by trade I have to say that being married is unfortunately not evidence of much. This is perhaps even more true in ACD's time when men of a certain age and class were expected to marry. You really have to have a bit of inside knowledge into what the marriage was like and although I haven't read the books for ages, I don't remember there being much discussion of what happened in Watson's bedroom in the canon!
I think Sherlock's apparent lack of interest in relationships with women could be argued as being more telling, especially as it would have been less typical of the time.
In terms the BBC series, certainly what Mark and Steven have said could be argued to be the best evidence of Johnlock purely being bromance. There is another layer of the actor's interpetations of the script to be taken into account though and hasn't Martin Freeman said something in support of the sexual tension between the two characters?Yes!! Finally someone has brought up an issue I've had for a while now but non of my friends can explain. John's bedroom, in "Scandal In Belgravia" Mrs. Hudson shouts from the kitchen, her head is in direction from either John's bedroom(upstairs) or Sherlock's bedroom, she exclaims "Boys, you've got another one!" Nothing in the sentence itself but, the indication of the head movement. Either rooms, what exactly is going on in there? Why would there need to be a reason for them to be in either room, alone, enclosed, together?
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| It's Canon » Johnlock: The Official Debate » June 28, 2016 6:02 pm |
- KOnAN83
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besleybean wrote:
But yes, tweeting Mark that he'd better not marry off John or they'll...whatever to him Stupid actually,,let's just call it for what it is.Oh and shames the whole fandom.
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Before I go any further, I will make one request. If people are not clear what I'm saying or they need clarification, can you please ask.
I've read all of the contributions above and some of them are not entirely clear to me.
I think language is a problem. If people don't use the right words or...whatever it is, some of the posts above seem to be giving mixed messages to me...tho maybe that's entirely appropriate for this thread. Ha! Anyhow.
The Canon
1. ACD. He's dead, so we can't ask him. I'm also unaware of anything he particularly wrote about his characters or their story.
2. Victorian Mores. Yes you have to be aware of background, context and culture. I've never paid that close attention to all of this, but I gather Holmes and Watson are based on real people that Doyler admired.
3.Evidence. We can only make judgements on what is there, not what we either hope or imagine is there. In this case. Doyle's words.
So where does this leave us? Holmes is never shown to have been in any kind of romantic relationship. Watson marries.
BBC Sherlock
1. Current. Here we have the advantage over the Canon. It's happening now. Plus, we live in a multi media world, so we have articles/interviews/Q&As/tweets constantly at our fingtips or in front of our very eyes.
2.Evidence. Same as above. We can only judge on what actually does happen in the series and the dialogue that is actually spoken. Body language and looks are not totally irrelevant, but they can be so liable to personal interpretation, better stick to the facts. Oh and do not use the writers' saying: people are free to interpret the show how they like, without also including the other part of that quote, that they did not write it as a gay relationshi
| It's Canon » Johnlock: The Official Debate » June 28, 2016 5:57 pm |
- KOnAN83
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See, the way I take it as yeah, they're the best of friends no matter what. However, in this adaptation of Sir Aurthur Conan Doyal's Sherlock is that it's obvious that they're in love..more Sherlock than John. When John states that he is not gay to Irene Adler she replies with "Well, I am." but we all know she was in love with Sherlock the dilated pupils, checking of the pulse. Was it ever known that John wasn't checked of these things? John(whether it's Martin or John himself) has looked at Sherlocks lips as he was talking. Also, John has gotten defensive when states that "I am not gay" but nor is the matter of him being 'bi' or sexually open to a romantic feeling with Sherlock has been denied. Sure, he might have feelings for women and maybe Sherlock has been the first guy he actually takes interest romantically. The main reason I believe that Stephen and Mark are adding this little experiment into their Sherlock is because, Stephen and Mark have been working together for a while(Dr. Who) So, eventually they have a bond. Mark Gatiss is married to Ian Hallard(who appears in the 'Reichenbach Fall) adding a romance to Sherlock and John is logical. It's more acceptable to this modern take as oppose to the victorian era. Benedict and Martin has even agreed that if there was ever a "kissing scene" they'd do it. Not only does part of the fandom agree with it, but the characters of the cast has even shipped it before we ever did(Mrs. Hudson)
| Introductions Please... » Gay..I mean, 'Hey' » June 28, 2016 5:40 pm |
- KOnAN83
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Thanks for the love and the welcoming. I'm going to fit in right at home
This is my first forum..I think, If you don't count reddit, because I don't ever really got on there..and then of course there's the all known Facebook.
| Introductions Please... » Gay..I mean, 'Hey' » June 28, 2016 5:06 pm |
- KOnAN83
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Love BBC Sherlock for almost 5yrs now. Major Johnlock shipper, head over heels in love with Benedict and Martin(who isn't?!) New to this site, I have some discussions I'd like to know the answers or insights to. Anyone who feels the same, feel free to message me or however this site works lol.
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