Just switched over to the other thread regarding spoilers. You guys are so amazing! I am re-reading TDD now. 

Thank you so much! 

mrshouse wrote:

May I cordially invite you to the "official Johnlock thread"?
We discuss the different views there.

I agree with this comment and I have no idea where the idea of the protagonists being in love came from. I simply do not see the clues nor do i understand how the theory could make logical sense given the sequence of events. Would someone please explain where the idea comes from? which clues made you think that they are pining for each other?

kgreen20 wrote:

Good point, Susi!

One last point, and then it's back to the main discussion: I believe that the series will keep John straight.  After all, up to this point, Moffat and Gatiss may not have faithfully followed canon, but neither have they completely ignored it.  Just look at all the events in the show that they have taken from canon!  Sherlock's hiatus and return, John's marriage to Mary, Moriarity's villainy, John's introduction to Sherlock through Mark Stamford, etc., etc.  On that basis, I have reason to believe that the show won't deviate from canon in regards to Sherlock and John's relationship either.  (That's also why I strongly suspect that Mary and the baby will be killed off in Season 4.  Because in canon, Mary dies, and Dr. Watson does not raise a child as a single father.  Instead, he ends up selling his practice and moving back to 221B Baker Street.)

OK, then, back to the original topic!


 

I don't think he is mourning his spouse. I don't think he wears a ring as a sign of his own marriage. Someone he considers close to him may be 'dead' though. I think Mary. 

I think she has always been good. It's just that she probably had to infiltrate Moriarty's network as part of her job. She coincidentally got assigned John as a target but she fell in love. That's why she couldn't risk telling Holmes. I also think that she has worked/cooperated with MI6 given that she was able to access the records so swiftly in front of Mycroft. It may also explain why Mycroft did not go the wedding. He is always being watched. Sherlock is freelance, Mycroft is the British government. She will have to leave London with the baby upon realizing that they will never be safe alongside John and Sherlock. That's why there will be heartache. John will resent his relationship with Holmes. He will resent Mary for her past and they will be separated. Sherlock became a murdered to save Mary - he did it out of love and conviction. She will not die. He will save her again. And she is just too darned skilled to not make it out of London alive. This is not her first rodeo.

I think that an attempt will be made on the lives of John, Baby Watson and Mary to get to Holmes. They will survive but realize that Mary and the Baby will never be safe if they stay in London. Irene Adler is working for Moriarty still but decides to stop and goes into hiding.  Mary and the Baby will go live in Latin America. Irene will go to USA. John will feel the extreme loss , Sherlock will go into retirement for a moment. Then, they will move back in together and continue solving crimes. 

Sherlock Holmes wrote:

It's canon that Mary dies and most people are expecting it to happen at some point in Series 4. They could always go a different route and have her in some witness protection programme where John could never see her again; or in prison for the rest of her life, but whatever happens, we know they are going to get her out of the picture.

What then, do you think will happen to Baby Watson? It would be quite shocking to kill a child after its been born, even for Moftiss. Killing it whilst its still in the womb is generally more acceptable. So, maybe a miscarriage?

Or do you think the baby will survive? If so, how can it be a part of Sherlock and John's life? Sherlock, John & The Baby? Sounds like a trashy sitcom about a gay couple bringing up a kid.

I agree. And I think that Mary will become more like her Victorian counterpart - only joining here and there which may anger her after a while. 

Swanpride wrote:

I think we are getting off tangent here...the question is not if Mary should die or not, or how to get rid of her, but if she lives, how can we imagine the show dealing with it and the baby. Here are a couple of thoughts (I am working under the assumption that she and John are meant to be with each other):
I can actually see a lot of fun you can have with the baby without it coming off as a sitcom. I mean, can you imagine Sherlock commenting on what one should do with a baby? It could be hillarious.
Mrs. Watson would surely love to act as babysitter from time to time.
I would love some criminal attacking Mary and John, thinking that John is the dangerous one, only to be taken out by Mary...and then John having to explain that to the police.
I can also imagine that Mary and John would be very unconventional parents from time to time. I can totally see John lugging a baby around to a crime scene and Lestrate being all experated about it, while John says "Well, Mary is busy, and it is not like we are doing anything dangerous here."
If they need to get rid off Mary and the baby for a while, they could use the "Mary needs a cure/wants to visit Janine in Sussex and she took the baby with her, but John had to stay behind for work" explanation. Or the other way around. Sherlock goes on a case in the country (for example in an adaptation of the Copper Beeches) and John is so nervous about him going alone that Mary says "well, then go after him, I can manage a few days without him". I can imagine them writing first some really funny scenes with John acting like a dweep and then a really funny scene in which Sherlock can't believe that he suddenly turns up.
And the older the child gets, the more possibilities are there....I mean, we did enjoy Sherlock's interaction with Archie, right?