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Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Mary's Death » May 12, 2014 1:30 am

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nakahara wrote:

But why should she die when she can leave or disappear or fall in love with John´s sister Harry and elope with her? 

Exactly. I want her out of the way ultimately but I'm convinced they're going to keep her around in the universe somehow. The Mary/Harry idea is funny. Catherine Tate would be a fantastic addition to the show regardless!

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Season 4: Sherlock takes back seat to John, Mary and Baby Watson » May 10, 2014 5:32 am

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To be honest with you, I don't see why they would even try to make it work. They're both infatuated with Sherlock Holmes. Incidentally.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Mary's Death » May 9, 2014 6:28 pm

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RavenMorganLeigh and lil... now we're talking.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Four things I would prefer NOT to see in series 4 » May 9, 2014 6:24 pm

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1) the BABY. I know lots of people think it's the most adorable development but the mere thought of it bores me to no end. No awkward Sherlock-baby interactions. No tedious scenes with doting John. I would rather the kitchen table at 221B were covered in Erlenmayer flasks and human remains than nappies and bottles of Formula. I don't think the baby will die at all, so all I can hope for is that it's not actually John's.

2) I am sure that many of you would protest but I don't care much for either Molly or Irene. The latter is interesting but she should become Sherlock's friend and keep her distances, if anything. I don't want a repeat of Sherlock's ground shaking in her vicinity.

3) Sherlock can be 'humanised' and remain the brilliant obnoxious arsehole (his words, not mine) he was when we met him. So I hope for less emotional vulnerability in S4, except from his vulnerability to John (that's long established).

4) I once read a very funny fic featuring Lestrade, John, Sherlock and Donovan going on a road trip together for a case. I want THAT to happen.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Mary's Death » May 9, 2014 5:05 pm

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besleybean wrote:

I'm kinda surprised you all think John knows so much.
He's been toatlly gormless for 3 seasosn so far, so why change the habit of a life time?!

Haha. Good point. But I think that's precisely why they might go down that route if they are looking to surprise us (which obviously they are). Plus it wouldn't take Sherlock's brilliant deductions or any cunning plotting... It wouldn't be out of character for John to have read his lying wife's files, would it?
 

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Mary's Death » May 9, 2014 11:44 am

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mrshouse wrote:

Skull, I agree. I'm actually convinced now that just writing anybody out and killing them is cowardice. Not Mofftiss. It would be a strong scenario if they separated on terms of ratio. Which leads me back to the point it would probably erase from something within Marys past, which leads me back to my niggling feeling, that as John forgave his wife we probably have to swallow it, choke on it and its done, which leads me back to John Watsons future domestic bliss, which leads me back to...aaarrrggghhh🙈🙉🙊

Nope... I think that would be even more boring. And an underestimation of John's judgement. SOMETHING is going to disrupt their joke of a domestic bliss and allow a refocus on Sherlock and John's relationship. We just don't know when it's going to hit the fan (pun intended, obviously). Might not even be until series 5, which would likely compromise the sanity of a lot of people.

But agreed that it will come from Mary's past, which John may know more about than he lets on...

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » The things that were never said... » May 9, 2014 11:13 am

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A conversation between John and Sherlock in which we learn that they have both read the flash-drive and are plotting to undo Mary in some fashion after the child is born.

A conversation between Mary and someone who knows her true identity in which it is revealed that her meeting John was never a coincidence but gives us clues as to why Mycroft didn't intervene.

I don't think we have any reason to assume that Mycroft had no clue about Mary. He is the British government and head of secret services. It's his job to know these things, especially when it involves his brother's immediate entourage.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Mary's Death » May 9, 2014 10:57 am

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ancientsgate wrote:

Yes, I am half joking. No need to be "horrified"; it was just a thought, perhaps a silly one, but not original with me, take my word for it.

It doesn't matter if you (or I, or anyone else) wish there were no baby. There IS a baby.... the writers have painted their characters into that particular corner, and now they're going to have to decide what to do with it. We shall all be waiting on pins and needles for the big reveal in S4, as always.


 

Please don't be offended, I was joking, not making fun of you... What I mean is that of course they've created an interesting challenge for themselves in writing in Mary's pregnancy, but in order for it to work it will take more than making the baby into yet another "pressure point" for the characters before finding a way to get rid of it. 

What worries me is that Mofftiss are such fans of Sherlock Holmes as a character that they derive infinite pleasure from putting him in oddly conventional situations... The stag night and best man speech were great fun but it would be boring if their next great idea was to explore "what happens when you put Sherlock and a crying baby in the same room".... I'm sure it would be funny, I just hope there isn't too much of it.

In terms of Mary Morstan being already dead... At first I didn't buy it but maybe it is their way of killing her off-scene like ACD did without undermining John's actual wife as a protagonist.

Hmmm... Damn, I don't think she's going to die at all now. Hopefully John is faking and is going to leave her soon.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » the opening scene » May 9, 2014 10:41 am

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Zatoichi wrote:

TheSkull wrote:

Does no one want series 4 to start exactly where it left off with the opening scene on the tarmac and Sherlock stepping out of the plane? Too corny?

Now I have to think of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKLBwEgUxws 

HA! Very well spotted, I wonder how many people made the conection. Now I'm dead-convinced that the whole final scene in HLV is a tongue-in-cheek nod to the final scene in bloody Bodyguard. It's perfect, absolutely perfect! There's no doubt in my mind that they devised it so that the audience would have to imagine the same scene with Sherlock running back to John.

... and for that very same reason, the clever bastards are never going to shoot it, because they don't need to.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Mary's Death » May 9, 2014 12:59 am

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ancientsgate wrote:

TheSkull wrote:

The baby is my only impossible problem in this scenario... I'd be willing to buy many different storylines explaining what happens with John and Mary's relationship, but there isn't a single one where another baby than Sherlock himself wouldn't seem out of place.

I  love domestic stuff (and yeah, I know, I sound like Mrs. H), but the idea to let the guys have a nice normal domestic scene doesn't offend me -- John, Mary and baby in their own place somewhere, Sherlock back at 221b, maybe with a succession of weirdo roommates (that actually would be too funny), and then J/M/baby coming over once in awhile, so Uncle Sherlock could bounce the kid on his knee and let him play with the skull off the mantel. lololol  But srsly, why not?  In S4, they could actually enjoy a period of peace in their personal lives (they all deserve it, god knows) and John and Sherlock could still run the streets and do their casework thing.


 

... You must be joking. What about the blood pumping through their veins and the two of them against the rest of the world, etc?

You want the baby to play with the skull? That's horrifying. God I wish there were no baby.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » John Watson in S4 » May 8, 2014 10:40 pm

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Not if you look at the first part of the quote:Q: "How much of Sherlock is about solving crime, and how much of it is about the relationship between the two guys?"Moffat: "The fascinating thing about the Sherlock Holmes stories if you go back to the original, they’re fascinatingly, weirdly paced, because the opening few pages of every single story – and it’s the best bit – are just Sherlock Holmes and Dr Watson chatting by the fireside, and eventually someone will turn up and they go off and have a case but what upstages everything is those two characters all the time."

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » the opening scene » May 8, 2014 9:59 pm

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Does no one want series 4 to start exactly where it left off with the opening scene on the tarmac and Sherlock stepping out of the plane? Too corny?

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » John Watson in S4 » May 8, 2014 9:53 pm

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Agreed. It's all down to what the writers decide and it's utterly pointless to give in to speculation... but who cares? We all do wonder.

Part of me is convinced that the cast & crew have talks about what they should lie about or deny, so interviews aren't much to go on. But the one thing that's been clear from the beginning is that the show is about Sherlock and his relationship with John. So it's not going to focus on John and Mary's relationship for much longer.

The baby's life will come under threat at least once, probably in the next series. Maybe Sherlock will sell it to the labs in Baskerville to see if it can grow wings or glow in the dark.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » John Watson in S4 » May 8, 2014 8:44 pm

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Ok, shall we give the last episode of Series 4 the preliminary title of: "The Captain's Choice (between his wife and his partner in crime)" in reference to the ACD short-story (which I haven't read myself yet)?

I would just find it more interesting if John deliberately left Mary to go back to Sherlock rather than just having her die...

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Mary's Death » May 8, 2014 8:30 pm

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The baby is my only impossible problem in this scenario... I'd be willing to buy many different storylines explaining what happens with John and Mary's relationship, but there isn't a single one where another baby than Sherlock himself wouldn't seem out of place.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Mary's Death » May 8, 2014 7:00 pm

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Maybe. But I would be very surprised if it happened before the end of the series. It just seems plausible that this time they would go for a solution that doesn't involve John mourning a loved one for years... Because that's so 2 years ago...

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Mary's Death » May 8, 2014 5:19 pm

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sara wrote:

I don't think they will kill Mary.  However I think they will get rid of her character all the same.  John will find out what ever it is that was on Mary's flash drive and he won't love her anymore.  I bet her jobs after the CIA was working for Moriearty.  Something from Mary's past will come to haunt her and she will have to run away and change her identity again.  She will take the baby with her, because John can't be tied down with a family while running around with Sherlock.  Or not lol.  I hope they keep her around for at least one more season.

I agree completely. I know Moftiss (and the whole crew for that matter) lie through their teeth when they need to, but I genuinely believe them when they tell Amanda that they love her as Mary and that she won't be killed off. I remember an interview in which Moffat deplores that ACD's Mary was killed off-scene.

So I think one of the first twists will be that John has indeed read the info on the flash-drive and is lying to Mary about it. Maybe Sherlock has too and they've both agreed to pretend that they have forgiven her. They work out a connection between Mary's past and the new Moriarty impersonation and John leaves Mary, or she has to disappear again/go under WP/whatever.

Character Analysis » Who loves who more? (As far as appearences go.) » May 8, 2014 12:07 pm

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I completely disagree with suggestions that unconditional love is something reserved to blood relatives. When it happens in a friendship it turns it into something extraordinarily special, and I do believe that this is ultimately what John and Sherlock have. I also believe that John's friendship for Sherlock could have turned into infatuation had Sherlock not faked his death and disappeared. But the Fall revealed his own vulnerability, and he gets over Sherlock by investing himself emotionally in his relationship with Mary and telling himself that "this is what matters now". It is just terrible timing that Sherlock resurfaces then because it hasn't occurred to him that John had to make himself move on. Hence why in Series 3 we have John sticking to his guns and not showing much of his former adoration for Sherlock. And Sherlock, victim of his own trick, is heart-broken but accepting of John's new-found happiness.

Now we just wait and see for John to see the light again...

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » John Watson in S4 » May 8, 2014 10:11 am

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SolarSystem wrote:

And getting Mary out of the picture doesn't necessarily mean that John would have to leave her. Lots of different scenarios are thinkable when it comes to that.
But I agree, I actually can't shake the feeling completely that John might indeed have read the file on Mary and for some reason decided to keep it a secret.

Just think about all the possibilities that would unleash... First of all, they've been very clever: the audience's surprise at hearing that John hasn't given in to curiosity is immediately overriden by astoundment at the news that he is taking her back during the scene at the Holmes' cottage. So nobody suspects that he knows everything about her past misdeeds. But for all we know even Sherlock must have found a way to access this information, given that the flash-drive was in John's possession for a few months. Maybe they don't quite know what to do with all the news details until Moriarty's fake broadcast is staged...

Anyway, to me this could potentially lead us to what becomes of the John/Mary relationship in series 4. As in: Moftiss are telling the truth, Amanda is staying in the show, Mary doesn't die but John leaves her after the baby is born. No idea what the latter is supposed to bring to the story but I guess we'll see...
 

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » John Watson in S4 » May 7, 2014 10:41 pm

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There is one hypothesis concerning John that I haven't seen anywhere: what if he has in fact read Mary's file and has a good reason for lying about it and pretending he has forgiven her (for the sake of the child), when in fact he hasn't? What if Moriarty's pretence return (I personally think he's dead) was connected to someone from Mary's past?... That would unlock many interesting story arcs...

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