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The Abominable Bride » The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it) » January 1, 2016 11:20 pm

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a_maze wrote:

Sherlock Holmes wrote:

DavidM1337 wrote:

"Moriarty is dead. And I know what he does next."
 

I need to start a new thread purely about that line.
 

Please let it be a follow-up thread to this one. Please :D.

I'm afraid Moriarty doesn't do anything.
He set up his "army" before his death, like the bride did 120 years ago. That's what I got out of the whole thing.
Basically the bride represents Moriarty.

But there was the explaination with the 2 guns... I'm confused.

The Abominable Bride » The Abominable Bride (for those who have seen it) » January 1, 2016 11:01 pm

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"Moriarty is dead. And I know what he does next."


 

The Empty Hearse » Moriarty theories - The Empty Hearse » February 27, 2014 8:24 pm

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So what did the series show us about the publics knowledge of Moriarty situation?

-Andersons theory of the fall shows that he thinks that Moriarty is dead and/or missing.
-Mary was told by John that he blew his brains out.
Anything else?

I think there isn't really anything about the publics idea of Moriarty. We only get ideas from people who are close to Sherlock.

So if the public wasn't even told that he is dead, that he was involved in Sherlocks 'death' or anything, then the "did you miss me" shouldn't have the effect on the in-series-public than it had on the viewer.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Moriarty theories » February 13, 2014 10:11 pm

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I don't see why he couldn't have faked death.
And if he didn't why all the theories with no dead body found on the roof?

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Moriarty theories » February 13, 2014 5:25 am

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Andersons theory doesn't have him officially dead. It has him officially vanished, but his idea is that sherlock used him to fake his own death.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Moriarty theories » February 12, 2014 5:57 am

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I just noticed Mary saying in the last scene "he told me he is dead"..... does she mean Sherlock or Mycroft by "he"? Anyway they must have been lying. Except Mycroft lies to Sherlock regarding the not existing body.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Moriarty theories » February 11, 2014 10:18 pm

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Once again: all signs are, that the public in the series knows, that Moriartys body was not found on the roof.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Moriarty theories » February 11, 2014 4:51 pm

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If you think so, then please make sense about the non-existent moriarty body.

Series Four Suggestions & Ideas » Moriarty theories » February 11, 2014 1:23 am

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My main point or problem is, that the body of moriarty was never found/shown/talked out but the public "knows", that he died...
So here some attempt at logic:


As far as I understand it, the two made up theories (Anderson and the girl) are based upon the public knowing, that Moriarty was involved in Sherlocks death, but Moriarty hasn't been found.
(- Andersons story says, that Moriarty is dead, he was put a sherlock mask on, but the hearse is empty;
- Fanclub Girl story: Moriarty and Sherlock teamed up and are both alive; no dead bodies.)


Sherlocks own explanation of the jump didn't mention what happened to Moriarty at all. But he says, that Moriarty killed himself. He obviously fell for Moriartys fake death.
But then explain this: Sherlock saw Moriarty die, but the public kinda knows, that Moriarty's body wasn't found. Sherlock should be able to add 1+1 here and see that something doesn't add up.
Maybe he does, and maybe he isn't even surprised, at least season 3 didn't mention anything about it!
If I'm right, in S04E01 Sherlock should not be surprised that Moriarty is back.

So I guess Moriarty got up and ran away, when Sherlock jumped.
Notice, nobody but Sherlock (and probably Mycroft) knew that Moriarty was up there.
So then how did it become public knowledge that Moriarty was involved in this? His body wasn't found obviously. But Anderson's and the fangirl's storys both involve Moriarty being on the roof.

I like that he faked his death too and comes back, but it's strange that the whole season 3 didn't touch that subject.
Obviously they did that purposely, because they knew years ago, that he would come back.

But for me there is still a gaping hole in the story:
- All being shocked by "did you miss me?" means, that all thought Moriarty was dead.
- But how did they even know, that he died?
- Mycroft going "this can't be possible, this simply can't be possible" at the end of "His last vow" doesn't make sense at all.
If there was no Moriarty body on the

The Empty Hearse » Moriarty theories - The Empty Hearse » February 3, 2014 9:13 pm

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As far as I understand it, the two made up theories (Anderson and the girl) are based upon the public knowing, that Moriarty was involved in Sherlocks death, but Moriarty hasn't been found.
(- Andersons story: Moriarty is dead but the hearse is empty;
- Fanclub Girl story: Moriarty and Sherlock teamed up and are both alive; no dead bodies.)


Sherlocks own explanation of the jump didn't mention what happened to Moriarty at all. But he says, that Moriarty killed himself. He obviously fell for Moriartys fake death.
But then explain this: Sherlock saw Moriarty die, but the public kinda knows, that Moriarty's body wasn't found. Sherlock should be able to add 1+1 here and see that something doesn't add up.
Maybe he does, and maybe he isn't even surprised, at least season 3 didn't mention anything about it!
If I'm right, in S04E01 Sherlock should not be surprised that Moriarty is back.

So I guess Moriarty got up and ran away, when Sherlock jumped.
Notice, nobody but Sherlock (and probably Mycroft) knew that Moriarty was up there.
So then how did it become public knowledge that Moriarty was involved in this? His body wasn't found obviously. But Anderson's and the fangirl's storys both involve Moriarty being on the roof.

I like that he faked his death too and comes back, but it's strange that the whole season 3 didn't touch that subject.
Obviously they did that purposely, because they knew years ago, that he would come back.

But for me there is still a gaping hole in the story:
- All being shocked by "did you miss me?" means, that all thought Moriarty was dead.
- But how did they even know, that he died?
- Mycroft going "this can't be possible, this simply can't be possible" at the end of "His last vow" doesn't make sense at all.
If there was no Moriarty body on the roof, Mycroft would know!

[size=125][b]So my only explanation is, that Mycroft is acting this "can't be possible" line and that he spread the "Moriarty is dead" news after "The Reichenbach Fall" to the

His Last Vow » Did you miss me? » January 12, 2014 11:38 pm

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As for Moriarty's death, you don't see his brain out, as it is worded all the time.
Of course it could  just be a fake gun and random red sauce.

I've also been wondering why Moriarty's body was never mentioned and probably was never found (otherwise  the opening scene of S03E01 wouldn't be a valid option for Anderson; think about it).
But if it wasn't found, why isn't it mentioned?
And how did anyone know about Moriarty being on the roof anyway?

His Last Vow » First Reactions... » January 12, 2014 10:13 pm

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Omg! I hoped for it, but I didn't expect it!
But obviously Moriartys body was never found!

And ffs, don't wanna wait 2 years...!

The Empty Hearse » Moriarty theories - The Empty Hearse » January 5, 2014 3:06 am

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In the very first scene Anderson obviously doesn't know where Moriarty's body was left.
It's his theory about Moriarty with a Sherlock mask.
If they found dead Moriarty on the rooftop, he wouldn't come up with that.

So either the makers didn't think it through that far, or Moriarty is gone and they will bring it up again sometime.

The Empty Hearse » Why jump (spoilers) » January 5, 2014 3:00 am

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Thanks for the links. The threads are all about the "how did he survive?" aspect, but my question is about something else. Sorry I didn't read all 100+ pages.

The Empty Hearse » Why jump (spoilers) » January 4, 2014 10:49 pm

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After watching Episode 1 of Season 3 I ask myself the following question, and it doesn't seem to make sense.

If Mycroft had his gunman pointing a gun on Moriarty's gunman, why did Sherlock have to jump? The gunman, who was watching Sherlock, did see, that he wasn't actually dead. Why didn't Mycroft "convince" the gunman before the jump?

If the whole district was closed off, why did Sherlock have to jump, since the only one not involved, who could see it happen, was Watson?
The whole outside world would only get fake anecdotes about the jump from the 25 homeless people, Molly or Watson.
He could just have involved Watson and then pretend to be dead without the jump hassle.
Why was it of any importance to fake it for Watson alone? The risk of him giving it away, is that all? I think Watson would be clever enough to be in on the plot.

Why not fake death only on paper to take out moriartys network?

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