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January 15, 2018 7:05 pm  #8121


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I should have added that I really think John should take Rosie and move back in with Sherlock.
If we ever got a S5, I would like to see that happen.


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January 15, 2018 7:11 pm  #8122


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Let's hope! 

 

January 15, 2018 7:58 pm  #8123


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Liberty wrote:

I'm very happy with what we got.  I wasn't expecting Johnlock anyway, but I do think we saw a lot of development in their relationship.  In fact, TLD may be more "about" their relationship than any other episode.  That hug was just perfect. 

Yep, that's what I meant.
 


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January 15, 2018 7:59 pm  #8124


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

It really was the perfect hug and we need more of that!


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January 16, 2018 8:01 am  #8125


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I never believed we would get Johnlock in the series either, I just love the concept of it. I enjoy the series for what it is, and find everything I miss in the series in fanfics and fan art, so I am happy. More than happy, actually, because the The Hug(TM) was more than I ever excpected we would get in the series. 

And, yes, for me as well, John moved back into 221B with Rosie at the end of the series. We have, in some form or another, Parentlock. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/love.png
 (That little scene was also more than I thought we would ever get).


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January 16, 2018 5:23 pm  #8126


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Well even if John and Rosie do move in to 221B, I suspect the burden of childcare will fall on Mrs H...so I don't see why she would be any less of a parent than Sherlock.
Unless Mrs H leaves us, of course.


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January 16, 2018 6:03 pm  #8127


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I think that if the series was to continue, we would see Rosie being looked after by Mrs Hudson or "friends" so that John and Sherlock could go on their adventures.  I would like John and Sherlock to live together, but I have mixed feelings about a child at 221B, just because I think it would change the atmosphere of the place if it became "child-friendly" (although I could see it more with an older child or teenager).   I do see Sherlock as being involved whether or not Rosie lives there - if John's family, Rosie is family, and he made a vow to her, and we see him being good with her in S4.

 

January 16, 2018 6:10 pm  #8128


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I have no doubt Sherlock will be fully involved, but I don't necessarily think that makes him either a substitute Mum or a 2nd Dad.


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January 16, 2018 7:04 pm  #8129


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

He's in the role of a very involved uncle!  Maybe he would also get very involved with organising things (like he did with the wedding).  I think he would be very protective.  He lost seeing his little sister grow up, and it might be nice for him to be invested in another child - maybe for Mycroft to have another chance to get it right too.

 

January 16, 2018 7:06 pm  #8130


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Aw.


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March 27, 2018 9:06 am  #8131


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I've been trying to find somewhere to post this and couldn't find anywhere suitable, when it suddenly occurred to me that we've talked quite a lot here about Mark Gatiss' "softly, softly" comment. 
http://deareje.tumblr.com/post/15021413208/tumblr-is-gonna-love-this-intrigued-by-the

 "I always thought that what Russell T. Davies did in Doctor Who was extremely ground breaking in a slightly more subversive way than what it looked like. It never occurred to me that it was too on the nose, what he did brilliantly was introduce incidentally gay characters obviously as well as some more in your face ones. One of my favourite stories is Gridlock, there’s an elderly couple of ladies who are together and it just sort of passes by and that’s the way - softly, softly. That’s how the revolution happens as it were, you just become aware that people are incidentally gay. I think when the day comes that you have a big detective show where the first half hour was this man at work and he’s a maverick and all the usual things and then we went home and his boyfriend says, “Are you alright?” it was just a thing, then something would have genuinely changed. I think the problem still is it becomes the issue. I think the thing with gay characters is that it has to be an issue as opposed to being part of everyday life, which of course we all know is what it is.“

Anyway, I was delighted to read about Instinct, a mainstream US detective series, starring Alan Cumming. 
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/mar/26/alan-cumming-instinct-cbs-gay-lead-means-for-mainstream-tv
To me, it fits so well with Mark's comments - the fact that he has a husband is incidental.  I haven't seen it (don't know if we'll be able to in the UK), but as soon as I read about it, I thought about the interview above!   I think this is just the sort of thing that Mark meant! 
 

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March 27, 2018 1:31 pm  #8132


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Yes, this is really a step in the right direction. And sad to say, the hype and expectations of Johnlock being something that would be "revealed" throughout the show, would go against that very statement from Mark.


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March 27, 2018 4:51 pm  #8133


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I just think it's sad that some people didn't get that.


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March 27, 2018 4:58 pm  #8134


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Sad and kind of surprising, I suppose.  But also really positive that things seem to be moving in the right direction.

 

March 27, 2018 8:16 pm  #8135


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Oh, absolutely!


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May 1, 2018 1:26 pm  #8136


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

And now it happened. The short story "Sherlock Holmes and the Adventure of Furtive Festivity" made Johnlock into Canon!

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May 1, 2018 1:44 pm  #8137


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Finally! And what a shame that Mofftiss so far did not have the guts. Especially since Benedict and Martin would have made such a beautiful couple.


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May 1, 2018 5:40 pm  #8138


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I don't think it was a question of guts.
They didn't see a romantic relationship in the original text.


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May 1, 2018 5:41 pm  #8139


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Fantastic!   This looks like a lot of fun!  I really like the look of this slightly older Holmes and Watson. 

I don't know if it's fair to say that Moftiss didn't have the guts, though.  I may be wrong, but I genuinely believe that it just wasn't how they saw the characters.  I know I've said it before, but perhaps it was because they came across the characters as children, when the idea of a platonic love would be so much more appealing than a "romance".  If you really see the characters as having a beautiful friendship, the greatest friendship in literature even, then maybe you wouldn't want to take them down a different route and make them lovers?

 

May 1, 2018 6:52 pm  #8140


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I really do not want to start the discussion of how they constantly used romantic tropes again. Suffice to say that even Time Out Magazine had them as their favourite romantic couple some years ago, ahead of William and Kate if I remember correctly. If there were no indications of this in the show, not so many people would have expected and wished for a romance. 

Anyway, I am glad to see that the team behind this short film finally took the step. 


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