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August 25, 2017 2:21 pm  #221


Re: TLD Headscratchers

Sorry if this has been brought up before, but does any know how or why Sherlock suddenly has a gun in TLD? The last we saw of John's gun was when Sherlock used it to shoot Magnussen. So either it's confiscated by the police/government or John got it back. If it's the latter, then I would assume it's in John's and Mary's flat. 

Of course, I would assume that it wouldn't be too much trouble for Sherlock to get a gun if he really wanted to (through his homeless network, for instance). I just found it a bit odd seeing as we haven't seen him have one before (he always asked John to bring his).


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August 25, 2017 2:46 pm  #222


Re: TLD Headscratchers

That never occurred to me, but I see your point. I guess he could have got ahold of it a few different ways, such as the one you suggest. And I suppose it's also possible that he's had one for a while that he never told anyone about. Is it just assumed that the gun he uses to shoot the wall in series 1 is John's or is it mentioned at some point? I don't remember.


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August 25, 2017 3:34 pm  #223


Re: TLD Headscratchers

No in TGG it definitely is John's gun.  John takes it from Sherlock and replaces it in the locked box where he keeps it.


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August 26, 2017 2:38 pm  #224


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OK. I remember that now. Then I suppose Sherlock must have acquired the gun he uses in TLD at some point after John moved out.

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August 26, 2017 7:49 pm  #225


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I wonder why? We don't see Sherlock use it expect for that scene. 


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August 27, 2017 3:04 pm  #226


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That's true. I guess it's just convenient for the plot. And I suppose we can't know for sure whether he kept it (or was allowed to keep it, if Mrs. Hudson had anything to say about it) after that episode.


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October 30, 2017 11:03 am  #227


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Maybe you remember the discussion about the opening date of the Culverton Smith wing at the hospital. Here is a clear pic of the plaque:

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1. 20 July 2014 was a Sunday.
2. Nurse Cornish cannot have worked there for seven years. 
3. This reminds me of the gravestones with the impossible dates in TFP.
4. How can anyone still believe anything in this show?
 


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October 30, 2017 6:05 pm  #228


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I have various thoughts ...

- the date is deliberately impossible, emphasising that this is fiction (a bit like deliberately using impossible names, addresses, phone numbers, etc.). 
- miscommunication between the writers and the set people (the specific date may not have been in the script.  Or the other way round - it WAS in the script and so was copied exactly in case it had significance, which it didn't).  Or just a mistake.
- the date does have some significance which ended up not being part of the final episode
- I wouldn't attach any significance to Nurse Cornish working there - perhaps she had been working there (i.e., at the hospital, where I presume Culverton had been "visiting" for several years too) since before the new wing was opened.  (I know it's obvious, but I don't think how long she has been there is significant - the point is that by asking, Culverton is reminding her that he can get her fired if she speaks out against him).

 

October 30, 2017 6:07 pm  #229


Re: TLD Headscratchers

SusiGo wrote:

4. How can anyone still believe anything in this show?

I think most people don't. Actually, I think most people have left the fandom, going by the lack of activity here.

But I could forgive the plaque (and all other faults that I only see in screenshots) if the rest made more sense. I'm a lot more upset about Sherlock's "predictions" being "true" over several weeks, John suddenly making genius deductions and Sherlock reading John's thoughts...

What I do not understand is why countless people over the years have written something like "considering how carefully the details are planned I don't understand how they could get ...... wrong". Once I add up all these comments, I get the feeling that Sherlock's production designers are doing what they can to get things right (somebody did look up - or happen to know - what type of gun John would have used in Afghanistan), but sometimes they do get things wrong. Probably due to time or budget limitations. It's "only" tv after all - and not U.S. pay tv either...

And hey, wasn't there a brand sticker on the apple thrown in The Fellowship of the Ring when it first appeared on screen and some cars in the background somewhere? (Just a rumour, the SEE DVD doesn't show them).

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October 30, 2017 9:05 pm  #230


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Indeed, stranger things have happened...


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October 30, 2017 10:34 pm  #231


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I haven't left the fandom, but I'm less active as there is less discussion going on. And a lot of what fueled the debates were speculations about S4, which has now been answered. I reckon the activity on the board will go up if there is ever confirmed a S5 in the future - I sure am interested in a new round of speculation should that happen!


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October 31, 2017 1:15 am  #232


Re: TLD Headscratchers

Liberty wrote:

I have various thoughts ...

- the date is deliberately impossible, emphasising that this is fiction (a bit like deliberately using impossible names, addresses, phone numbers, etc.). 
- miscommunication between the writers and the set people (the specific date may not have been in the script.  Or the other way round - it WAS in the script and so was copied exactly in case it had significance, which it didn't).  Or just a mistake.
- the date does have some significance which ended up not being part of the final episode
- I wouldn't attach any significance to Nurse Cornish working there - perhaps she had been working there (i.e., at the hospital, where I presume Culverton had been "visiting" for several years too) since before the new wing was opened.  (I know it's obvious, but I don't think how long she has been there is significant - the point is that by asking, Culverton is reminding her that he can get her fired if she speaks out against him).

All those explantions seem like real possibilities to me that could have happened. But I think another possibility is that it could be a date in 2014 since there is probably less of gap in time between when series 3 and 4 take place than their air dates. Wasn't series 3 originally aired in 2013? I think The Abominable Bride refers to either 2013 or 2014 for the events of series 3 taking place. And if the events of series 4 take place fairly soon after Sherlock gets off the plane, then they would be continuing in that year or the next year. 

As for the wrong day of the week, it could be any of the reasons you already supplied.


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October 31, 2017 7:37 am  #233


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I was just thinking of the day of the week, to be honest, not the year!  Is there a problem with the year, apart from Nurse Cornish's answer?  I believe S3 was aired at the beginning of 2014, and I was thinking a year ahead of you (i.e. Rosie being born in 2015).  But yes, if it was a year earlier, the date (if not the day) would still fit. 

I suppose the announcement of Rosie's birth is relevant here, because she was apparently born in 2016! 

 

October 31, 2017 2:39 pm  #234


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I guess I was just assuming it was the date in general that seemed off to you.  Where did you see that Rosie is born in 2016? 
If it doesn't match up with when these events of TLD take place, it could be that the year of one thing was changed in the script as time passed but not the other, maybe?


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October 31, 2017 6:00 pm  #235


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I just meant the birth announcement in the Telegraph!  I can't remember the date, but it must have been shortly before S4 aired, so towards the end of 2016.  I'm sure it was meant as publicity rather than a plot point, but maybe they're just not too worried about dates and timings. 

 

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