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August 16, 2017 7:22 am  #8101


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Liberty wrote:

Moftiss have openly said that Sherlock leaving the wedding is a reference to the end of The Green Death Doctor Who series.  (Where the Doctor's companion gets engaged, and he leaves the party alone). 

I think it also fits well with the theme of friendship in that episode in particular, and the theme of Sherlock choosing to be alone. 

I think it fits the topic of unrequited love. :-)

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August 16, 2017 11:19 am  #8102


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I agree that alcohol in general loosens up inhibitions and there are a lot of people who get more "touchy-feely" when drunk - me included. So I have no trouble seeing that.

However, considering that this is a written show, I see no point of that scene in a non-Johnlock context.


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August 16, 2017 6:29 pm  #8103


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Just an average stag night, I would have thought.
Stephen Thompson wrote the scene.


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August 16, 2017 6:46 pm  #8104


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

For me the tarmac scene is the one which makes least sense without Johnlock. The stag night and the end of TSoT are close followers but the tarmac is so heartbreaking and intense that for me it cannot be explained by friendship alone, be it as deep as it may. 
And if you look closely you can see that Sherlock/Benedict is starting to say something else than "Sherlock is actually a girl's name" and then changes his mind. The man knows how to act after all. 
 


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August 16, 2017 6:48 pm  #8105


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

Well yes, that is one of the big unanswered questions...what was Sherlock really going to say?
Personally I think it was just 'Thank you.'


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August 16, 2017 6:57 pm  #8106


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

SusiGo wrote:

For me the tarmac scene is the one which makes least sense without Johnlock. The stag night and the end of TSoT are close followers but the tarmac is so heartbreaking and intense that for me it cannot be explained by friendship alone, be it as deep as it may. 
And if you look closely you can see that Sherlock/Benedict is starting to say something else than "Sherlock is actually a girl's name" and then changes his mind. The man knows how to act after all. 
 

He does indeed.


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August 16, 2017 6:58 pm  #8107


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

If you compare his mouths movements with other scenes you can see quite clearly that it looks as if he was starting a sentence with "I". And I am absolutely sure that it was not "I thank you". Why? 
Because he wanted to say something and changed his mind because it would have been too painful for him or John or both. He chose to make John laugh instead. I cannot see John laughing about a "thank you". And why should he thank him at that point? If anyone had to say thank you, it would have been John, not Sherlock. He was the one who got the wife and the life because Sherlock sacrificed himself. 
 


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August 16, 2017 7:01 pm  #8108


Re: Johnlock: The Official Debate

I like the idea of "thank you" (for saving him, for everything, etc.). 

I think they are more than ordinary friends, and they do love each other.  And I think it's particularly poignant because Sherlock (and we) know that he may be going off to his death, but John doesn't (and Sherlock is being sure not to let him know).   And it's a direct result of Sherlock trying to protect John and Mary. 

The drunk scene - I think the "point" is really just that it's cute and funny, and out of character for them.  It's nice to see two quite buttoned up people being so relaxed and "unbuttoned".   But then, I can't see the point of it in Johnlock context!  There are so many other things they could have done that would be more Johnlocky.

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