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July 26, 2015 8:21 am  #1


TV movie "Sherlock" (2002)

I've never heard Moffat and Gatiss mention this film having served as an inspiration for them for their "Sherlock".
 
But – there are so many quotes and ideas in it that can't be called coincidences.
Not. At. All.
Parts from this movie appear in each of the three "Sherlock" series.
 
First of all, there's the title: "Sherlock".
When I stumbled across the DVD in a bargain bin in a bookshop, I - for a split second!– thought that it might have something to do with our Sherlock. (A game or something like that.)
Quite forgivable at the sight of the cover:

http://up.picr.de/22639829kx.jpg

 
I bravely resisted to look the movie up on imdb.com before I watched it.
It's set in Victorian times and features a young (!), good-looking (!) and fashion-conscious (!) "Sherlock" alongside a clever (!) Watson.
Quite at the beginning, there's a scene with Sherlock and Moriarty fighting.
Before Moriarty's going to fall into the London sewer system, there is this sentence that instantly had me at the edge of my sofa:

http://up.picr.de/22639828pf.jpg

 
 And after this, I hardly relaxed… (but made a list instead.http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png
)

No idea if I should share my observations here.
Maybe some of you want to watch the film and find out the references to our Sherlock by themselves?

 


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July 26, 2015 3:06 pm  #2


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Interesting.  Is it a German film? In that case, I don't know how likely it is that Gatiss and Moffat saw it, but I suppose it's still possible that they know of its existence or have read something about it.


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July 26, 2015 3:23 pm  #3


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No, it's not a German movie. It's a USA/UK/Romania collaboration.


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July 26, 2015 4:02 pm  #4


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Oh, OK. Interesting combination of countries. 


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July 26, 2015 6:30 pm  #5


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Feel free to share your obversations, tobe. Everyone who does not want to be spoiled can stay away and read this later. I watched the film as well and the parallels are indeed very conspicuous. 


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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

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July 27, 2015 10:37 am  #6


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I saw this film on sale somewhere. Now I want to watch it!
I would like to compare observations :-) (after watching the film I'll come back here)
FSK16 sounds really high to me for a Sherlock film, what the heck is happening in there?

tobeornot221b wrote:

I've never heard Moffat and Gatiss mention this film having served as an inspiration for them for their "Sherlock".

We can always ask them
 

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August 18, 2015 5:35 pm  #7


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I enjoyed it quite a lot - and can't remember what the FSK16 might have been for 
Yes, agree, there are some things that might have inspired them 


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August 27, 2015 3:49 pm  #8


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Here's Sherlock's little fan club.
The girls sound like Kitty Riley and Benji.

http://up.picr.de/22940152ak.jpg


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Mrs Hudson: "They don’t matter. You do."


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August 27, 2015 7:19 pm  #9


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I really enjoyed the film and there are indeed quite a lot of things that remind me of our Sherlock. And the cover is definitely inspired by the Guy Ritchie films. 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

http://up.picr.de/28609194so.png

 
 

August 27, 2015 7:41 pm  #10


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The woman in the window of 221B:

http://up.picr.de/22942500rt.jpg


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Mrs Hudson: "They don’t matter. You do."


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September 3, 2015 6:46 pm  #11


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And these also sound  and look familiar:

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Mrs Hudson: "They don’t matter. You do."


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September 3, 2015 6:57 pm  #12


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Oh, the Flying Death Frisbee 


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September 13, 2015 6:43 pm  #13


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...and this scene

http://up.picr.de/23105100nh.jpg


may have influenced this one:

http://up.picr.de/23105102ka.jpg


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John: "Have you spoken to Mycroft, Molly, uh, anyone?"
Mrs Hudson: "They don’t matter. You do."


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November 10, 2015 7:15 pm  #14


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There's also an equivalent to the pool scene in TGG – albeit without a pool...http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png


http://up.picr.de/23674829sr.jpg

 
Moriarty has abducted Rebecca, Sherlock's love interest, whom he now threatens to kill – just because he is so evil.
And...  Professor Moriarty's exact words in this scene make a fine mismatch with the TGG picture:

http://up.picr.de/23674830yb.jpg

 


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John: "Have you spoken to Mycroft, Molly, uh, anyone?"
Mrs Hudson: "They don’t matter. You do."


I BELIEVE IN SERIES 5!
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November 10, 2015 7:44 pm  #15


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This is crazy.
Is our Sherlock "quoting" the other movie, or both movies are quoting the canon?

 

November 10, 2015 8:45 pm  #16


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I would put it like this - Steven and Mark probably know all the adaptations and Canon and have created their own version while drawing on things they have found and liked there. 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

http://up.picr.de/28609194so.png

 
 

November 10, 2015 9:07 pm  #17


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Well so there is a chance they might include the town I live it - it was prominently placed in the Game of Shadows. Would gladly play a guide if they decide to shoot in situ. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/tongue.png

 

November 11, 2015 8:16 am  #18


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This film certainly looks interesting! Do you know if there's an English version? Or subtitles ? it's been so long since I actually listened to something in German *sigh*


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November 11, 2015 8:49 pm  #19


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As mentioned above, it's not a German movie. It's a UK/US/Romania collaboration in English language.


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John: "Have you spoken to Mycroft, Molly, uh, anyone?"
Mrs Hudson: "They don’t matter. You do."


I BELIEVE IN SERIES 5!
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May 4, 2017 12:36 pm  #20


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tobeornot221b wrote:

I've never heard Moffat and Gatiss mention this film having served as an inspiration for them for their "Sherlock".
 
But – there are so many quotes and ideas in it that can't be called coincidences.
Not. At. All.
Parts from this movie appear in each of the three "Sherlock" series.
 
First of all, there's the title: "Sherlock".
When I stumbled across the DVD in a bargain bin in a bookshop, I - for a split second!– thought that it might have something to do with our Sherlock. (A game or something like that.)
 
I bravely resisted to look the movie up on imdb.com before I watched it.
It's set in Victorian times and features a young (!), good-looking (!) and fashion-conscious (!) "Sherlock" alongside a clever (!) Watson.
Quite at the beginning, there's a scene with Sherlock and Moriarty fighting.
Before Moriarty's going to fall into the London sewer system, there is this sentence that instantly had me at the edge of my sofa.
 
 And after this, I hardly relaxed… (but made a list instead.)

No idea if I should share my observations here.
Maybe some of you want to watch the film and find out the references to our Sherlock by themselves?

 

At first, vielen lieben Dank and many thanks to you for this topic! 🌹

I discovered this quite unusual movie for myself at one warm autumnal day in September a.D. 2014 and was immediately captivated by its portrayal of the Hero.
At the same time I was amused about lots of similar details with our BBC subject.
After enjoying "Sherlock. The case of Evil" (2002)  several times again and again, I'd allow myself to list all the moments which are too important to do not mention them.
The script itself is very weak, though,  but all the actors used to provide excellent performances, expecially  Mr. James D'Arcy,  who brilliantly reincarnated  young Mr. Holmes at the time of his first meeting Dr. Watson by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle .
And the soundtrack is really good, just to note.
Here we have:

1) Young and very attractive Holmes
2) Slender Mycroft
3) Difficult relationship with Mycroft
4) Flashbacks to ( traumatised ) childhood 
5) Fancy fop Moriarty 
6) Smart helpful Dr. Watson, who is also pathologist : no need of Molly Hooper 
7) Moriarty hires an actress to play a blackmail - victim  and to discredit Holmes : no need of Rich Brook 
8) The woman in Holmes ' bed ( seeking protection )
9 ) Very drunk Sherlock
10 ) Very drugged Sherlock
11) Kidnapped and tortured Sherlock
12 ) Moriarty building a great cryme net
13) Each case as breaking news in newspaper
14) Watson gives Sherlock the dossier of the woman after her death.

I presume, there are some more moments, it would be very nice when any of you  will add them , too.


 

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