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March 17, 2017 7:53 pm  #321


Re: The Final Problem: First impressions

That entire bit with Moriarit is a highlight of episode. And it wasn't until I realised that I saw that as a highlight, I realised how much I missed him. 


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March 17, 2017 10:30 pm  #322


Re: The Final Problem: First impressions

It was a delight watching it in the cinema: the whole place erupted as soon as we heard the 'I wanna' break free' music.  I turned to my neighbour and said: here he comes!
I will never get over the ' How do you want me?' line!

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March 17, 2017 10:33 pm  #323


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That must have been unforgettable, watching that scene in the cinema! http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png


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March 17, 2017 10:37 pm  #324


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It was brilliant: we all laughed and cried and shouted out in the same places!


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May 22, 2017 11:33 am  #325


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Sorry, not impressed.  It had some good emotional punch in many places; these actors are good at that.  But. . . 

As others have said, I can't imagine institutionalizing a five-year-old in the 1970's or later (?) and never again referring to her existence.  I can't imagine having three children, one of whom kills or at least does something to lead to the death of another's best friend, and not putting the whole family into serious counseling from the beginning.  I can't imagine having a missing child on your property and not thinking to search an open well.  I can't imagine taking someone who is deprived of the most basic human contact, including touch, because you are afraid of her influence over people, and giving that person access to the internet, through which she could easily influence others long-distance (a possibility that is never mentioned, which seems strange to me in this day of internet recruiting of terrorists).  But mostly, I cannot believe that a woman who had spent her entire life in mental institutions with "minimal human contact" could for an instant pull off her acting jobs as Faith, E, and the psychiatrist.  Look at her as she is portrayed in this episode;  she may be able to be persuasive and to mentally "take over" someone who spent a lot of time with her one-on-one, but no one, ever, would mistake her for a normal human being.

 

 

May 22, 2017 12:43 pm  #326


Re: The Final Problem: First impressions

I could not agree more. There are exactly my problems with TFP. This does not make sense, not in reality and not the Sherlock universe. 


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May 22, 2017 12:59 pm  #327


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cmb711 wrote:

Sorry, not impressed.  It had some good emotional punch in many places; these actors are good at that.  But. . . 

As others have said, I can't imagine institutionalizing a five-year-old in the 1970's or later (?) and never again referring to her existence.  I can't imagine having three children, one of whom kills or at least does something to lead to the death of another's best friend, and not putting the whole family into serious counseling from the beginning.  I can't imagine having a missing child on your property and not thinking to search an open well.  I can't imagine taking someone who is deprived of the most basic human contact, including touch, because you are afraid of her influence over people, and giving that person access to the internet, through which she could easily influence others long-distance (a possibility that is never mentioned, which seems strange to me in this day of internet recruiting of terrorists).  But mostly, I cannot believe that a woman who had spent her entire life in mental institutions with "minimal human contact" could for an instant pull off her acting jobs as Faith, E, and the psychiatrist.  Look at her as she is portrayed in this episode;  she may be able to be persuasive and to mentally "take over" someone who spent a lot of time with her one-on-one, but no one, ever, would mistake her for a normal human being.

 

Excellent points!


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May 22, 2017 6:28 pm  #328


Re: The Final Problem: First impressions

I can only repeat that I adored Eurus in herself and particularly loved her relationship with Sherlock...just wanted to see more.


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May 22, 2017 7:25 pm  #329


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I don't mind all those flaws in logic. What I mind is the story arch: We are told that Sherlock will move on from what happened at Sherrinford and Musgrave, thst he will grow, that he will deal with what happened in the past and that all this will surely change him - but we don't know if we will be able to watch it.

Those six seconds at the end of TFP are not enough.


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May 22, 2017 7:27 pm  #330


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As I've mentioned before:  possibly an accident of timing...they just don't know if we will get anymore.


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May 23, 2017 7:10 am  #331


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Schmiezi wrote:

I don't mind all those flaws in logic. What I mind is the story arch: We are told that Sherlock will move on from what happened at Sherrinford and Musgrave, thst he will grow, that he will deal with what happened in the past and that all this will surely change him - but we don't know if we will be able to watch it.

Those six seconds at the end of TFP are not enough.

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 Of course I want to see how Sherlock and John grow from all those experiences. But I am also very fond of logic in a TV show. And, honestly, compared to some others shows I have been watching - currently series 5 of "Dexter" - S4 is, well, not good. Sure, they are different, may even belong to different genres, but even if Sherlock is a "show about a detective" I expect a certain logic. And since - other than Doctor Who for example - it takes place in the real world, we must assume real-world rules. Like to learn how a person is transported from place A to a probably far-away place B instead of just waking up there in an elaborately constructed container without ever learning how that happened. Or how people are thrown out of the window by an explosion and remain unhurt. Or how a flat explodes, throwing to people out of the window, but the whole building and even part of the furniture remain whole. 
For example the blast in TGG was believable. House opposite 221 destroyed, Sherlock's windows shattered. Realistic. Fit for 21st real-life London. With TFP they left real life behind. And I do not understand why. 


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May 23, 2017 3:33 pm  #332


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I think they just had a ball with the last episode.
I enjoyed the ride.


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May 23, 2017 4:28 pm  #333


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Yes, I don't think it was meant to be 100% realistic.  Supposedly they survived the fall because of the awning over Speedy's.   (The CIA man that Sherlock threw out of the window wasn't seriously injured despite repeated falls, so I wouldn't assume that was automatic anyway!).  It looks to me as if they are deliberately jumping out of the window, rather than being thrown out by the blast.   But it's fantasy - I think there was no plot purpose to be served by them being injured and it was believable enough that they'd survive it (certainly more believable than Sherlock surviving flatlining). 

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