Vhanja wrote:

I think it was Amanda in particular, in an interview with her and Sue, that used the words "groundbreaking" and "making TV history".

Ah, I see. So it's Amanda, not Gatiss or Moffat who have said that. That makes more sense. As much as I love Amanda, I think she can be prone to being a bit hyperbolic when it comes to Sherlock! I have seen that clip - and I interpreted Sue's baffled response as her thinking: "Really? What do you mean? I mean, yes, it's good, but..."

The way some folks go on on tumblr about those two phrases, I'd assumed it was Mofftiss who had said it. I'd be far less inclined to take the quotes seriously if it were only Amanda. After the last episode, and given how hard they all worked to conceal the Euros reveal, it could very well mean that Amanda was talking about the rug pull of successfully concealing one actor under three different disguises and not having an audience realise until the right moment. Although that would be an impressive achievement, I wouldn't exactly call that TV history. Still, in the excitement of that moment, I can imagine Amanda describing it thus: "if we pull it off", which also makes sense of Sue's reaction.

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ewige wrote:

I think Ben also said something to the effect "if we can pull it off". And Moftiss too. But the amount of PR was really crazy so I won't be able to find anything specific, I'm afraid.

Well, like I say, that to me seems to fit with the reveal of Euros more than it does Johnlock. With Setlock and paparazzi following the crew around, it's a major achievement that nobody seems to have realised that Sian Brooke was appearing in 3 different roles. I don't see how "If we can pull it off" could relate to Johnlock. They would just film it and there - it's done. Canon. What would there be to "pull off"? (No pun intended!!)
 

But then they could have meant Mary's post-humous involvement too.
I'm still holding my breath for something monumental in the last ep. Tricks with the cast are nice but hardly constitute TV history.

besleybean wrote:

I certainly think it will be a momentous final episode...one way or another?

I think TLD was already so good that I'm afraid it can't get better anymore
But Moftiss have never disappointed me before.

ewige wrote:

But then they could have meant Mary's post-humous involvement too.
I'm still holding my breath for something monumental in the last ep. Tricks with the cast are nice but hardly constitute TV history.

I suppose the only way we'll know is by asking Amanda as she seems to be the only cast or crew member who actually said it.

besleybean wrote:

Will be quicker just to watch on Sunday and decide for ourselves!

Yeah. I was like... sifting thru all the interviews again? Meh... Time will tell.

Oh yes. We'll definitely know by Sunday whether Johnlock will become canon.

However, I think it's only fair that if TJLCers are going to feel betrayed that they'd been promised "groundbreaking" "TV history" that we make sure that it is something Mofftiss actually said!

(Did Mark write Randall and Hopkirk? The renewed one of course, I had no idea!)
Oh and here's another one:
So all non-Johnlockers write too emotionally.
Whereas the Johnlockers are just the embodiment of pure rationality and reason?
I do see how Johnlockers see things, I just don't think what they are seeing is there!

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besleybean wrote:

So all non-Johnlockers write too emotionally.

 
If you are referring to my post in the other thread, BB, then I feel the need to clarify it. I'm enjoying the discussion at the moment because we are trading arguments here. I know too well that both sides can show lacking debate skills but this is why I'm exactly here and not shouting my throat hoarse elsewhere. I hope you feel the same.

Liberty,
I'm pretty sure there will be enough to discuss even after the last ep aires, seeing how differently we interpret the show. For me, all signs indicate a JL ending but I don't think we'll see anything definite anyway.

Unless we get an actual kiss (or  more), I don't think this particular debate will ever end