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August 22, 2015 6:44 pm  #61


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

TeaCub wrote:

I'm kind of hoping that Sherlock will be suffering from some after-effects of the gunshot wound and that this will come through occasionally; he'll grimace and shift in obvious discomfort when he's supposed to be working. And I'm hoping John will be watching all this, remembering the long-lasting pain that came with his own gunshot wound and will, gradually, fall out of love with Mary when he fully realises the ripples of her actions. 

(I know, I'm terrible).

Why do you apologise? It´s an absolutely normal and valid wish. Plus, I consider it much more honest to portray the consequences of the violence that occured in the previous episodes than to descend into that Hollywood-style reality in which the mortal wounds are healed in two days and leave no scars, no trauma, no fear and thus do not carry any responsibility for the perpetrator.

TeaCub wrote:

I'd also like to see Sherlock and John get back to a happy place; hoping that Series 4 will be the calm after the storm. 

They promised us a dark twist so who knows? But I hope that they would return to the "Sherlock and John are solving cases together, two against the rest of the world" pattern at least, no matter the dark twists....
 


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August 22, 2015 8:37 pm  #62


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

Thanks for your thoughts. I've realised - through some fanfiction - that Sherlock's bullet wound may have lasting effects. I'd really like to see John worrying about him more and focusing more on that side of it, because we never really saw a lot of that.

My other hope is that John has in fact made a copy of the memory stick and that he is holding out on Mary. 

 

August 22, 2015 8:40 pm  #63


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

I don't think they'll show ongoing effects of the bullet wound.  They didn't show any ongoing effects of the torture at the beginning of S3.   I do think violence is kind of trivialised in this programme (the above being an example), but I'm kind of glad of it - I think they've maybe gone far enough down the road of the suffering, Christ-like Sherlock in S3.   Not that I didn't like that aspect - I was totally drawn into it.   But I don't think it can all be about what tortures Sherlock can go through. 

 

 

August 23, 2015 9:32 pm  #64


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

Liberty wrote:

I don't think they'll show ongoing effects of the bullet wound.  They didn't show any ongoing effects of the torture at the beginning of S3.   I do think violence is kind of trivialised in this programme (the above being an example), but I'm kind of glad of it - I think they've maybe gone far enough down the road of the suffering, Christ-like Sherlock in S3.   Not that I didn't like that aspect - I was totally drawn into it.   But I don't think it can all be about what tortures Sherlock can go through. 

 

Yes, that´s also possible.
I just found an interesting meta that seems to speak exactly about that:

http://just-sort-of-happened.tumblr.com/post/105627795845/realism-vs-absurdity-teh-managing-audience

 

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January 20, 2016 6:40 am  #65


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

Ooh, something to ponder here; has anyone seen The Woman in Green? (a Rathbone/Bruce film)
http://deducingbbcsherlock.tumblr.com/post/137671438504/nothing-new-under-the-sun
Quite a few familiar motifs...


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January 20, 2016 9:09 am  #66


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

melissak334 wrote:

To me, either you can get rid of both (via death or running away or whatever) or you can get keep both. You can't keep the baby and get rid of Mary, because that means that John is the sole parent for this kid and would be both too angsty and too sitcomy. You can't get rid of the baby and keep Mary, because then it would be more of a story circle than a story arc. John/Mary get married, John/Mary concieve baby, baby dies before birth, John/Mary return to previous state of affairs but with more angst.

So in summary: If we assume that Mary lives, then we must assume that Baby Watson lives.

As far as S4 plotlines go, I don't think very many fans would want an episode that focuses on the birth of Baby Watson, and that's a very difficult thing not to focus on, since it's a major event in all of their lives that would be happening only 4 months after the last episode of S3. So either they skip past the birth entirely or they turn it into something dramatic like "Mary's having contractions while we're chasing down a murderer." or "John is about to miss the birth of his child because he's being held at gunpoint by Moriarty's brother."

I totally agree with your explanation.

Either both are alive or both die at the end of S4. Although let them both die would be horrible for John. But they do said that it would be devastating. Maybe Mary and baby just leave, someone mentioned a witness protection programm.

But I want at least one scene with Sherlock and Baby Watson. Mofftiss said they like to put Sherlock in new and for him unpleasant/awkward situations. I'm sure if Baby Watson survives it will love Sherlock and would follow him like a puppy and Sherlock is highly irritated.

If this were a fanfiction, they would kill off Mary and the baby and John would move to 221B ;)


 


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January 20, 2016 3:26 pm  #67


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

I wonder if Mary would indeed give birth in S4. Her belly was miraculously missing in TAB.

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January 20, 2016 4:30 pm  #68


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

I still think a fake pregnancy is a slight possibility.  Not very probable, but possible.


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January 20, 2016 5:30 pm  #69


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

I would be more cross about them doing this, than I would be about another fake death.


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January 31, 2016 3:17 pm  #70


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

Mary is shortsighted though... Sherlocks deduction showed this... And we know this doesn't mean eyesight as she's a sniper... So
I wouldn't have put it past her.


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January 31, 2016 3:20 pm  #71


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

I have to say this is one of the things I am most looking forward to in S4.
Because more than anything else: it's the one thing we will get a definite answer on.
I mean it my still not tell us whose child it is, but at least we will finally know there is a child.
I still think there is.


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January 31, 2016 4:03 pm  #72


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

Yes, no child seems a bit of a cop-out in a way.   Mind you, they've already done the "... and it was a all a dream!"  cop-out, so who knows? http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png

 

January 31, 2016 4:05 pm  #73


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

Do you mean as in TAB being a dream, or am I having one of my thick moments again?!


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January 31, 2016 4:58 pm  #74


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

Yes, I meant TAB, and I'm not being serious - I loved TAB!

 

January 31, 2016 5:00 pm  #75


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

Oh me too, honestly my favourite episode so far.


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February 1, 2016 5:13 am  #76


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

melissak334 wrote:

You can't get rid of the baby and keep Mary, because then it would be more of a story circle than a story arc. John/Mary get married, John/Mary concieve baby, baby dies before birth, John/Mary return to previous state of affairs but with more angst.

To me, there is absolutely no need for a "story circle". Who says that " John/Mary return to previous state of affairs but with more angst"? Many parents who lose their only child cannot do that. Their marriage is far from being perfect or stable (they have been parted for months just recently). Losing the child might bring a very devastating story arc.


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February 1, 2016 6:34 am  #77


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

Alternatively, it may bring them closer together.


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May 1, 2016 8:30 pm  #78


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

I agree. And I think that Mary will become more like her Victorian counterpart - only joining here and there which may anger her after a while. 

Swanpride wrote:

I think we are getting off tangent here...the question is not if Mary should die or not, or how to get rid of her, but if she lives, how can we imagine the show dealing with it and the baby. Here are a couple of thoughts (I am working under the assumption that she and John are meant to be with each other):
I can actually see a lot of fun you can have with the baby without it coming off as a sitcom. I mean, can you imagine Sherlock commenting on what one should do with a baby? It could be hillarious.
Mrs. Watson would surely love to act as babysitter from time to time.
I would love some criminal attacking Mary and John, thinking that John is the dangerous one, only to be taken out by Mary...and then John having to explain that to the police.
I can also imagine that Mary and John would be very unconventional parents from time to time. I can totally see John lugging a baby around to a crime scene and Lestrate being all experated about it, while John says "Well, Mary is busy, and it is not like we are doing anything dangerous here."
If they need to get rid off Mary and the baby for a while, they could use the "Mary needs a cure/wants to visit Janine in Sussex and she took the baby with her, but John had to stay behind for work" explanation. Or the other way around. Sherlock goes on a case in the country (for example in an adaptation of the Copper Beeches) and John is so nervous about him going alone that Mary says "well, then go after him, I can manage a few days without him". I can imagine them writing first some really funny scenes with John acting like a dweep and then a really funny scene in which Sherlock can't believe that he suddenly turns up.
And the older the child gets, the more possibilities are there....I mean, we did enjoy Sherlock's interaction with Archie, right?
 

 

 

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