besleybean wrote:

I think the show beautifully portrays both Sherlock's physical and emotional traumas.
I just hope his team of carers keep him well.
I'm never entirely happy at John'r reactions to Sherlock, but I think they are true to his character.

I'm curious-- what are you not happy with in regards to John's reactions to Sherlock? Genuinely interested. 

RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

I was speaking in generalities, not calling you out personally.   

I didn't take it personally, my reply was in general too.

Vhanja wrote:

RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

I was speaking in generalities, not calling you out personally.   

I didn't take it personally, my reply was in general too.

Oh, good! Whew! 

Also, we know that John is quite capable of doing real damage.  He didn't.  Or at least he was not aware of the possibility, not knowing that Sherlock had recently been beaten to a pulp.  He made his frustration clear in an extreme situation, and I do think it's at least partly something guys do, or at least something guys on film do.  Sherlock kept saying exactly the wrong thing.  I don't think he was doing it on purpose; I think Mary is right:  "Gosh, you really don't understand human nature, do you?"  John wanted to cause at least a little pain both in return for the pain he'd suffered and in an effort to get through to Sherlock, who continues clueless.  Only when he admits his parents knew as well does he really pull off an actual "sorry" rather than an automatic one.

Last edited by cmb711 (October 15, 2016 2:38 pm)

I agree. I never really liked this exaggerated violence. Once would have been enough. And if we believe the blog, John let him stew for some time, not forgiving Sherlock at once. I think this was a worse punishment than being beaten up but still. I do not like it. And it is quite OOC for John as well. 

cmb711 wrote:

Also, we know that John is quite capable of doing real damage.  He didn't.  Or at least he was not aware of the possibility, not knowing that Sherlock had recently been beaten to a pulp.  He made his frustration clear in an extreme situation, and I do think it's at least partly something guys do, or at least something guys on film do.  Sherlock kept saying exactly the wrong thing.  I don't think he was doing it on purpose; I think Mary is right:  "Gosh, you really don't understand human nature, do you?"  John wanted to cause at least a little pain both in return for the pain he'd suffered and in an effort to get through to Sherlock, who continues clueless.  Only when he admits his parents knew as well does he really pull off an actual "sorry" rather than an automatic one.

I agree with this. And also with your point, besley. 

I don't really have a problem with this. I understand John perfectly, and Sherlock - without being aware of it - only kept making it worse. It's not a matter of who deserved what for me. It's a matter of understanding where the characters are coming from, and I don't have a problem understanding either of them.

And, at the end of the day, it's tv. It's meant to be entertainment and not be analyzed too much or be taken too seriously. For instance, the scene in TSoT with Sherlock and Mary's ex is played for laugh. If you really look at what's going on here, I think the scene is actually incredibly creepy. Sherlock is stepping over so many bounderies it's bordering on being true psychopath behaviour. But I don't mind - it's tv, it works and it's funny in the scene, even though it would be horrific in real life.

Stalking and deciding someone elses extent of friendship under threat isn't much better, in my opinion. Also, I find mental manipulation of fear (HoB lab and tube scene in TEH) to be just as bad as phsycial violence.

 

And John is just extremely hurt and angry over having being led to watch his best friend commit suicide in front of his very eyes, and then to grieve over him for two years, before Sherlock comes back all "ta dah!"

So, yeah, everything can be "just". 

He did - one episode later. I think Sherlock needed a bigger reaction (although not necessarily the violence) to understand the severity of how what he'd done had affected John. 

I just don't like that whenver Sherlock does something bad, it's easily explained for being "just" this or that, while John is criticised much harder for his actions. Give them both equal amount of understanding, I say. 

I think my morals must be as skewed as Sherlock's - there are several things Sherlock does that I have way more trouble with than the murder.