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April 12, 2015 5:47 pm  #61


Re: Classic error in this show

Kittyhawk wrote:

nakahara, I'm with you regarding the two stories in Scandal in Belgravia - the original from "Bohemia" and an add-on. But isn't adding on another story - which for me changes the outcome of the "game" - changing canon? In a big rather big way?

I'm saying that Mofitt change canon whenever they feel like it. As is their right. I just wish they did in in such a way that their films would make more sense to people who don't know the original stories - your above-mentioned "casual viewer".

I think only the people already knowing the original were actually offended by Irene´s "loss" or by the "divergences from the canon" - in my experience, people who watched the story untouched by knowledge of ACD usually didn´t mind and took the story the way it was written by Moftiss.

Anyway, as I explained above, ASIB is an amalgamation of two different Holmesian sources, a canonical story and the well-known movie. Moftiss made it no secret that they would use both the canon and the well-known pastiches and movie adaptations as their sources while writing Sherlock - and for me, they managed to mix both in the very entertaining manner in ASIB. I enjoyed the story precisely because they managed to be very true to both of their original souces and yet to create a new, original story out of them. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png


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I was one of them when I first watched the episodes - and I went "that's not possible" "how come?" "I don't believe it" "WTF have they done now" every 10 minutes or so... Btw, I'm not a chemist - or any other kind of scientist. If Mofitt use a microscope for a chemical analysis because it "screams science to the casual viewer" then they must believe that their audience consists of people who've forgotten all their highschool chemistry and haven't watched a single relevant documentary or cop show since. I don't mind whether the "scientific-looking gadgets" for example in NCIS or CSI are real or not - they are believable to the non-expert that I am. The "science" in Sherlock is not even half-way believable to me. And I feel that this is very, very wrong for the world's first scientific detective - Sherlock Holmes as written by ACD.
 

Actually, for me it´s the opposite - I find both NCIS and CSI outrageously over the top concerning "the science" portrayed in them. While the occassional use of a microscope in Sherlock never bothered me. Usually because the proceedings in Sherlock really treat microscope as a prop and don´t bother to explain what procedures Sherlock uses the microscope for. So I can believe in front of the screen that he does something veeery scientific there... http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png


Concerning ACD - he used very little real science in his stories, opting rather for "metaphysical science" which served his plot better... and so we had phosphorus-laden dog, a man with ape behaviour caused by drinking ape-serum, the hydraulic press with an actual door in it and other such "scientific" delicacies in his SH stories. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/lol.png


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April 13, 2015 4:29 am  #62


Re: Classic error in this show

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April 13, 2015 7:22 am  #63


Re: Classic error in this show

nakahara wrote:

Actually, for me it´s the opposite - I find both NCIS and CSI outrageously over the top concerning "the science" portrayed in them. While the occassional use of a microscope in Sherlock never bothered me. Usually because the proceedings in Sherlock really treat microscope as a prop and don´t bother to explain what procedures Sherlock uses the microscope for. So I can believe in front of the screen that he does something veeery scientific there... http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png

That's just the way I see it. I'm not a casual viewer, but I've always been pretty crap in natural sciences in school, so I don't have a "plausibility problem" at all when I see Sherlock use a microscope. In shows like NCIS or CSI however it quite often feels a bit like "Oh, come ooooon...!" to me. 
 


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April 13, 2015 7:29 am  #64


Re: Classic error in this show

For me, the use of medical science is completely over the top in " House MD". ( Have I ever mentioned that I used to love this show, I don't know if anyone has noticed ) The syndromes might be existing and be described accurately but what always bothered me there is that the examinations are never mentioned, there are suspicions and the patients are treated according to them to proof the diagnosis. Weird. And everybody has an oxygen mask, no matter what. And as soon as infusions and medical treatments are started or stopped there are immediate reactions and results.


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April 13, 2015 6:46 pm  #65


Re: Classic error in this show

mrshouse wrote:

...., there are suspicions and the patients are treated according to them to proof the diagnosis. Weird. ...

Completely OT, but that's pretty much what I experience in real life... (with the vet it's even worse, but then I have a lot more contact with him than with my doctor). Whereas I don't remember it from House (which I love as well, btw, at least the first seasons before they ran out of good medical mysteries and had to fill time with relationships and drug problems). And I do remember my tv magazine filling space by asking an actual M.D. about various hospital series and he didn't have any problem with Dr. House.

 

April 13, 2015 7:02 pm  #66


Re: Classic error in this show

Back to Sherlock: What bothers me is not just the science, but also things like John's therapist suggesting he write a blog (why would one want to go public with ones problems? A personal diary, by all means, but a web log????), John doing all this running and jumping in the taxi chase - yes, the limp is psychosomatic - and how does one develop a limp from a shot to the shoulder???? - but John didn't do any jogging in the last months, did he? (btw, when does Sherlock work out?), the wildly fluctuating fighting abilities (Sherlock deals rather elegantly with his Jaria diamond attacker - how does he get rid of the knocked-out guy? - but Sherlock, John and SIG together can't cope with the Golem) - the list is endless...

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April 13, 2015 7:16 pm  #67


Re: Classic error in this show

This is the Scandal in Belgravia thread, just saying 


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April 13, 2015 7:23 pm  #68


Re: Classic error in this show

Kittyhawk wrote:

Back to Sherlock: What bothers me is not just the science, but also things like John's therapist suggesting he write a blog (why would one want to go public with ones problems? A personal diary, by all means, but a web log????), John doing all this running and jumping in the taxi chase - yes, the limp is psychosomatic - and how does one develop a limp from a shot to the shoulder???? - but John didn't do any jogging in the last months, did he? (btw, when does Sherlock work out?), the wildly fluctuating fighting abilities (Sherlock deals rather elegantly with his Jaria diamond attacker - how does he get rid of the knocked-out guy? - but Sherlock, John and SIG together can't cope with the Golem) - the list is endless...

Some comments about this:

- The psychosomatic limp while being shot in the shoulder was a homage to ACD, who couldn't remember where John was shot and moved it to both leg and shoulder until he gave up and just said it was in one of his "limbs".
- John was a miliary man, it goes without saying he would have been beyond average fit. A few months of quiet life would be a setback, but he would still be in ok shape. Sherlock seems to keep fit through doing exactly those kind of things - fights and chases. 
- Fighting skill isn't allround - being good at close-combat with someone your own size and weight does not mean you can do well with a Golem towering way above you with a whole different level of strength and fighting style (and John would have struggle aiming as he would be afraid of hitting Sherlock).
 


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April 13, 2015 8:09 pm  #69


Re: Classic error in this show

Please - this is actually a thread about one certain error in ASiB, namely the boomerang. Everyone is welcome to open a general thread on errors in the show but this here is for ASiB. Thank you. 


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