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June 13, 2014 8:00 pm  #21


Re: I can’t believe what Moffat says anymore

Moffat immortalised the phrase I'm a liar , honestly I am a long time ago.

I also think twins..however I think Mycroft replaced the evil twin with the actor/good one..a la the ugly duckling is now Mycrofts undercover swan.

why waste a handy unground kings corpse.....

 

June 13, 2014 8:04 pm  #22


Re: I can’t believe what Moffat says anymore

You lost me a bit with that cultural reference.
But if you mean the real Moriarty didn't die...I could agree.


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July 5, 2014 11:17 pm  #23


Re: I can’t believe what Moffat says anymore

It's probably nothing, but we don't see a live action Moriarty until after the show is over. 

 

August 20, 2014 5:43 am  #24


Re: I can’t believe what Moffat says anymore

This fanart is perfect for this thread! 



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August 20, 2014 6:02 am  #25


Re: I can’t believe what Moffat says anymore

Aw that's not nice.
I love Steven!


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August 20, 2014 11:11 am  #26


Re: I can’t believe what Moffat says anymore

Me, too. And I believe him, because I haven´t seen any lie yet. The faked scenes before series 3 are just a joke for me, not lies. I don´t believe that Moriarty is back. Something else must go on, maybe a new supervillain (brother or not) or part of a lecture e.g., which Mycroft gave to his brother: "Have you learned your lesson?" he is asking him while calling him back in the end. For him it would be easy to manipulate film material and TV stations.

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August 20, 2014 11:30 am  #27


Re: I can’t believe what Moffat says anymore

I don´t really know if Moftiss have lied about the show before, but I do think that they have an exact vision of how everything will play out and come together and how and in what way the characters will develop in the future and I truly believe that they had this vision even before season 3. Sherlock had been an international phenomen already after season 2 and they had to know that it would be likely to be asked to make at least two or three more seasons, so I think they know exactly in which direction the show is going and what is going to happen with its main characters at least in season 4, even so the scripts aren´t written yet.

 

August 20, 2014 12:03 pm  #28


Re: I can’t believe what Moffat says anymore

anjaH_alias wrote:

Me, too. And I believe him, because I haven´t seen any lie yet. The faked scenes before series 3 are just a joke for me, not lies. I don´t believe that Moriarty is back. Something else must go on, maybe a new supervillain (brother or not) or part of a lecture e.g., which Mycroft gave to his brother: "Have you learned your lesson?" he is asking him while calling him back in the end. For him it would be easy to manipulate film material and TV stations.

 
Oh, Moffit lies.  But that doesn't mean he doesn't love us. 


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August 20, 2014 12:47 pm  #29


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Germansherlockfan wrote:

I don´t really know if Moftiss have lied about the show before, but I do think that they have an exact vision of how everything will play out and come together and how and in what way the characters will develop in the future and I truly believe that they had this vision even before season 3. Sherlock had been an international phenomen already after season 2 and they had to know that it would be likely to be asked to make at least two or three more seasons, so I think they know exactly in which direction the show is going and what is going to happen with its main characters at least in season 4, even so the scripts aren´t written yet.

I absolutely agree!
 

 

August 20, 2014 12:48 pm  #30


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tonnaree wrote:

anjaH_alias wrote:

Me, too. And I believe him, because I haven´t seen any lie yet. The faked scenes before series 3 are just a joke for me, not lies. I don´t believe that Moriarty is back. Something else must go on, maybe a new supervillain (brother or not) or part of a lecture e.g., which Mycroft gave to his brother: "Have you learned your lesson?" he is asking him while calling him back in the end. For him it would be easy to manipulate film material and TV stations.

 
Oh, Moffit lies.  But that doesn't mean he doesn't love us. 

Give me an example for a lie, please....
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August 20, 2014 3:26 pm  #31


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anjaH_alias wrote:

tonnaree wrote:

anjaH_alias wrote:

Me, too. And I believe him, because I haven´t seen any lie yet. The faked scenes before series 3 are just a joke for me, not lies. I don´t believe that Moriarty is back. Something else must go on, maybe a new supervillain (brother or not) or part of a lecture e.g., which Mycroft gave to his brother: "Have you learned your lesson?" he is asking him while calling him back in the end. For him it would be easy to manipulate film material and TV stations.

 
Oh, Moffit lies.  But that doesn't mean he doesn't love us. 

Give me an example for a lie, please....
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He once said they would never bring Moriarty back.

Not saying he lies in a bad way.  He does it to play with the fans and to prevent key plot points from getting leaked.


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August 22, 2014 12:36 pm  #32


Re: I can’t believe what Moffat says anymore

I don´t believe that he brings Moriarty back. There is no proof yet. So again, where´s a lie?

 

August 22, 2014 12:55 pm  #33


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But actually he once said Moriarty was as dead as a door nail. And now he said it was all planned beforehand. So either way, he lied once there.


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August 22, 2014 2:31 pm  #34


Re: I can’t believe what Moffat says anymore

I don't think Moffatt and Gatiss lie.  But I do think they parse their words very carefully. It is their job after all to be crafty, clever wordsmiths. That is why we love their work.

So I think, yes, Moriarty is dead.  But I don't think the IDEA is Moriarty is dead. So it really depends on what is meant when we talk about bringing Moriarty back.

Remember, Richard Brook is NOT dead. We know he is a different person from Moriarty because we see him being escorted into a police car at the beginning of TEH. I believe we will see him again, and it will be interesting to see how he is connected to Moriarty. Twin sounds good to me.

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August 22, 2014 5:34 pm  #35


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Huh?
If that Richard Brook thing is true,...it completely past me by.

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August 22, 2014 5:45 pm  #36


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I believe the clip she's talking about is actually of Moriarty being put in a car after trying to steal the crwon jewels.


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August 22, 2014 5:46 pm  #37


Re: I can’t believe what Moffat says anymore

besleybean wrote:

Huh?
If that Richard Brook thing is true,...it completely past me by.

 
I don't know how to capture screen shots, but It's at 1:26:28. They slipped it into that montage of press reports exonerating Sherlock. It's very brief. I had to run it back a couple of times to make sure when I first noticed it.


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August 22, 2014 5:48 pm  #38


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See the post above yours: it is Moriarty at the Tower!


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August 22, 2014 5:53 pm  #39


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tonnaree wrote:

I believe the clip she's talking about is actually of Moriarty being put in a car after trying to steal the crwon jewels.

 
Hmm, just rewatched. Perhaps you're right, but it seems ambiguous. This is one of those Schrodiger's Cat things, for me at least.


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August 22, 2014 7:47 pm  #40


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On the roof Moriarty revealed that he was Richard Brook. So indeed, Richard Brook is dead, too. 


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