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February 21, 2014 4:21 pm  #61


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

I agree. Watson also keeps mentioning cases which he can't write down because they are either too sensitive, or not interesting enough or because they were never solved. And when Holmes mentions that there was one woman who beat him (everyone assumes that this is Irene Adler), he also mentions tree men who did. There is also John Clay, who fooled Holmes a couple of times before he arrested him in The Red-Headed League.

 

March 25, 2014 6:57 am  #62


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

(Putting this in here, because I don't know where the right thread for this would be...)
I started rewatching series 2 on Sunday, and I don't know, possibly that's just me feeling a bit nostalgic right now, but I honestly think it was better than series 3 in several aspects. It somehow seemed more traditional Sherlock Holmes, better plots, more twists, more deductions, more brain work going on in general and I think 'A Scandal in Belgravia' to this day is possibly the best episode so far. After seeing the series 2 episodes again I think my biggest wish for series 4 really is to be at least a bit less comedic and to go back to those elegant and artful deductions that made Sherlock so great and also to have some real cases going on. I really don't care that much what they choose from the original canon I just hope they generally go back to canon a little bit more in the next series.
Don't get me wrong I still love series 3 as well, loved the stag night, the reunion and so forth, loved the best man's speech, liked the twist about Mary's character, loved Sherlock showing emotions and weakness for a change. I just don't want series 4 to continue in the same fashion. I want to see series 3 as a nice comedic interlude before they all get down to business again. I thinks HLV was at least getting back in the right direction a bit with Charles Augstus Magnussen as a really perfect villain. But  even there we don't get to see Sherlock really being Sherlock Holmes, I mean when it comes to being the master brain we've known him to be in the first two series and in the original stories. I really am a bit apprehensive about series 4 right now, or I am just not putting enough trust in Moftiss again and series 4 will bring us a great turn-around...
Is there anybody out there who feels the same way about this or am I just missing out on some aspects of series 3 here?

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March 25, 2014 7:24 am  #63


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

Interesting point. I think it deserves to become a topic of its own. So feel free to open one (then I would delete my post here and put it in the new thread):

Anyway, here are my thoughts: 
I see what you mean but I do not really think that series 2 was better, it was different. In spite of the underlying Moriarty theme there were separate cases to each episode, there was more deduction and investigation work going on. And I agree that Scandal might be the most perfect episode so far, especially regarding the photography and editing. 

After watching it for the first time I thought that series 3 was very comedic, too, especially TSoT which in the beginning seemed nearly too comedic. But I have changed my mind by now and I think that series 3 as a whole is characterised by a profound sadness. And this is mainly due to the changes we perceive in Sherlock. 

Moftiss have always said that the character would change in the course of the series. I do not really believe that there will be a return to the Sherlock we know from series 1 and 2. In this regard series 3 seems to be a sort of transition from the man who has suppressed his feelings for years in order to fully concentrate on his brain work. His absence and the return to London and the changed world he finds himself in have deeply shaken him and this is what we get to see in series 3. We see a man who tries to reconcile his enormous brain and his emotions and fails more than once. But I think that this is just a phase, that they will show him slowly managing to reconcile those aspects of his character. Maybe he will never again be the cold reasoning machine he sometimes seemed to be in series 1 and 2 but I can live with that. I think there is no way back to a brilliant unfeeling Sherlock accompanied by a breathlessly admiring John. Their relationship has changed and I am excited to see what is going to become of it. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png

 

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March 25, 2014 7:25 am  #64


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

I confess I am a tad bemused about peoples responses to series 3.
What would people have wanted it to be?
Ceratin thinsg have to be covered: the marriage etc.
For me, series 2 felt very differnt as well...they all feel different to each other.
It's an evolution, but also focusing on different aspects and doing different things.
Series 1 was an introduction the setting, the characters, the adventures...
Series 2: the 3 big stories.
Series 3 had a lot to do: the resolution(which they have massively played with us on), The Reunion, The marriage, a new villain, the final Moriarty tease...much potential.
I could never be anything but positive about series 4.

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March 25, 2014 8:13 am  #65


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

besleybean wrote:

I confess I am a tad bemused about peoples responses to series 3.
What would people have wanted it to be?

Different people have different responses to one and the same thing, that's life.
And I can't tell you what I would have wanted S3 to be, but just like the_dancing_woman I do have the feeling as if S3 is kind of the odd one out in comparison to S1 and S2. And that doesn't mean that I don't like S3, I do, there's lots of great material in it, lots of fantastic and moving scenes. But I had this feeling from the very start when S3 aired and I still have it to some extent: To me S3 doesn't have a consistent flow like S1 and S2 had, it's more as if each episode is more of a stand-alone. And I'm not saying that's bad, I'm just saying that it feels different.

Nevertheless I also agree with a lot of what Susi has mentioned, especially the "profound sadness" we have throughout all three episodes. And that's probably why, despite the aspects that I find a bit problematic, I still like S3 very, very, very much.
 


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March 25, 2014 10:58 am  #66


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

I get all of your points, esp. yours SusiGo. Yes, you're right about the underlying sadness that went all the way through series three, and you're right people and relationships change, I am a big advocat of that anyway. So I know they can't just mysteriously undo all the things they sat in motion with series 3. It would be not very credible if they did. I just hope they will focus on cases more and also that Sherlock will get some of his old spirits back in a way. I don't want him to go back to being a cold reasoning machine, which in my eyes, he never was in the canon anyway, this is how he describes himself but it may not be entirely true. Holmes in the canon shows quite a lot oft sympathy and empathy towards the people who come to him for help and he deeply cares for Watson.
I would just like to see more of canon in the next series, meaning less focus on 'internal' matters and more focus on clients and stories from the 'outside' world.
You're probably right besley, those matters had to be delt with in series three and yes, they more than had their hands full with them on reflection, and character development wise they had a lot to deal with too. I just would like to go a bit back to the roots in the next series and not have them forever resolve internal Holmes/Watson family affairs as a main object of the episodes.
I also think, that Sherlock Holmes would stop being Sherlock Holmes if we wouldn't get to see the master brain come back (not talking about emotional coldness here, well a bit yeah, and it is still there btw, he shot Magnussen not only for John and Mary but also because he couldn't bare to lose the game) and watch him astutely deal with situations again. I want him to be more back in control of himself again.
It's possibly really just me panicking a bit and we will get to see all of this anyway. I mean the further we progress the more Sherlock and John grow up and wasn't it the intention of Moftiss to show the way of young Sherlock to the man he later becomes when we meet him in the books?

I also am with you solar, in saying that series 3 is the odd one out a bit. As I stated above I still loved it, but yeah, it has a completely different ring to it compared to the other two, which is fine for me as long as this isn't the overall new future direction the series is going to take.
 


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March 25, 2014 5:16 pm  #67


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

Well I hope we at least won't see any more weddings!


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March 25, 2014 5:24 pm  #68


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

@the dancing woman and Solar: I think what the difference between series 1 and 2 on the one hand and series 3 on the other is that the former feel like a consistent series in which the episodes have quite a similar style (even if they are 90 minutes each) whereas in series 3 we basically get three feature films which differ in cineastic style, mood, etc. And yet important elements of the plot like Sherlock seeking forgiveness and finding back to his life in London as well as Mary's story form a strong connection between the episodes.  


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March 25, 2014 7:27 pm  #69


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

I suppose you're right, Susi. Maybe I wouldn't even notice it if in S1 and S2 we hadn't seen how to do it differently - and by 'different' I don't necessarily mean 'better'.
I think that already in my very first post about TEH I used the word "flow" and that I somehow miss a harmonious flow within the episode. And it seems that this is true for the whole of S3, it sometimes feels a bit as if we're jumping from one occasion to the next and that sometimes those jumps somehow lack a totally convincing bond. Or, to put it into more extreme words: it sometimes feels as if various writers have been at work - and sometimes it just doesn't fit.

But I'm going way off topic now, so let me just agree with besleybean: no more weddings, please. Unless of course, it's our two boys who... okay, I'll shut up. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png

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March 25, 2014 7:35 pm  #70


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

I see what you mean with your last sentence and I still have them on my desktop like that. You never know … 

Again - I think this deserves a topic of its own. Just saying.

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March 25, 2014 7:57 pm  #71


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

Maybe we could open a new topic in the Series Three Reviews section and then move the last few posts?


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March 25, 2014 8:12 pm  #72


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

I can open a thread but you would have to shift your posts yourselves. 


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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

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March 25, 2014 8:13 pm  #73


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

Done. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png


You find it here:

http://sherlock.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?pid=150141#p150141

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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

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March 25, 2014 8:24 pm  #74


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

Thanks, Susi! I'll just copy my posts in there and then we'll see what happens. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png


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March 25, 2014 8:25 pm  #75


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

Good idea. 


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January 13, 2015 12:38 pm  #76


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

I wonder if we'll get the boat chase from Sign of Four in season 4.

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January 13, 2015 1:19 pm  #77


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

The boat chase would be cool.

I would love to see Victor Trevor and the stupidity Holmes demonstrates in "The devil's foot". http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png
I always found the entire "Thor bridge" thing fascinating and would love to see that too, one way or another. Now that I think about it, it would go well with (all the?) faked suicides we have seen so far. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/tongue.png


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January 13, 2015 3:48 pm  #78


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

Swanpride wrote:

I second more Sally! It's so sad that we didn't see one scene with her and Sherlock this season.
 

Oh yes, I´d love to see Sally and Sherlock together again.. maybe them grudgingly start to acknowledge each other´s abilities..(because I have no doubt Sally is a very capable police officer.) That would be really nice. And also more Greg Lestrade - I always enjoy scenes with our favourite silver fox http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/tongue.png
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As story I found the idea of adapting "The Engineers Thumb" really alluring.. a way to see Sherlock even more pressured.. ^^

And I´d really really appreciate some Mary-backstory - there have been great ideas which stories could be used.

Last but not least for intellectual and scientific reasons I´d also love to see a story that involves Sherlock fighting and/or using scientific equipment with focus on his hands.. ahem. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/smug.png

 

 

January 13, 2015 4:10 pm  #79


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

More than any other character I want more back story on John. 
What was his family upbringing like?
Why did he end up in the army?
Has he ever had another major relationship?
What does his scar look like?  (also for purely scientific reasons and not because I want to see MF with his shirt off)


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January 13, 2015 6:37 pm  #80


Re: Which stories and characters would we like to see in series 4?

I suspect he went into the army because he's an adrenalin addict...challenging work to be an army doc.


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