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January 24, 2017 1:09 am  #181


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so now that we've gotten to the end,  why the waste of time on the fading of the stupid note Fake Faith had?  She wasn't in a tiny room where her note faded.  A season wasted.

 

January 24, 2017 6:33 am  #182


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But TLD wasn't the end of the season.


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January 24, 2017 8:04 am  #183


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SharonH58 wrote:

so now that we've gotten to the end,  why the waste of time on the fading of the stupid note Fake Faith had?  She wasn't in a tiny room where her note faded.  A season wasted.

Although that scene may seem preposterous, I enjoyed it because that was the first time after a very long hiatus that Sherlock made some solid deductions and explained them in detail to the viewers. So I enjoy it anyway.

Also, the paper could have faded in a tiny room, IMHO. But rather than left there by Faith, the paper was planted there by Eurus, probably.... http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png

 


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January 24, 2017 10:45 am  #184


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I was under the impression Eurus faked all the little details on the note ("I added some deductions for Sherlock, but he didn't get the big one"). The cooking smells etc. I'm not sure how she faked the paper being faded, but I'm sure there is a way it can be done. It was all part of her disguise, and she was playing a game with Sherlock too.

 

January 24, 2017 11:17 am  #185


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I suppose it's similar to Sherlock deducing Jim from IT - his deductions are about the disguise, and he doesn't get the big one.

 

January 24, 2017 11:25 am  #186


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Oh I loved the note deductions! They are not wasted time also because they show how finely Eurus can play Sherlock - I missed this finess later in TFP.
I also thought that the whole scene with daylight and the moving window was beautifully executed, it felt like my favorite Sherlock too!


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January 24, 2017 12:11 pm  #187


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For me it was one of the most beautiful scenes in the series. 


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January 24, 2017 12:29 pm  #188


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It was fun watching it after following setlock too. 

 

January 24, 2017 9:19 pm  #189


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ewige wrote:

Oh I loved the note deductions! They are not wasted time also because they show how finely Eurus can play Sherlock - I missed this finess later in TFP.
I also thought that the whole scene with daylight and the moving window was beautifully executed, it felt like my favorite Sherlock too!

Yes to all of this. The deduction felt like classic BBC Sherlock again, finally. It was beautifully done - and not overdone, like most of the stuff we saw in T6T. I also loved what went on before in 221B, the throwing of the handbag, the slow-motion, the arrow with the "Something"... absolute perfection.
 


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January 24, 2017 9:34 pm  #190


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SolarSystem wrote:

ewige wrote:

Oh I loved the note deductions! They are not wasted time also because they show how finely Eurus can play Sherlock - I missed this finess later in TFP.
I also thought that the whole scene with daylight and the moving window was beautifully executed, it felt like my favorite Sherlock too!

Yes to all of this. The deduction felt like classic BBC Sherlock again, finally. It was beautifully done - and not overdone, like most of the stuff we saw in T6T. I also loved what went on before in 221B, the throwing of the handbag, the slow-motion, the arrow with the "Something"... absolute perfection.
 

Yesss, the handbag! And the swishing at the arrows! *happy sigh*


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January 28, 2017 6:49 am  #191


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I've watched this episode a few times now, and I think I have most of this convoluted plot clear in my mind (with some major suspension of disbelief) but there are still a few tangles I'd like to unravel.

The one I've been working on and I think I've solved is: how did Eurus get hold of Faith Smith's note? How did she even find out about it? I haven't had time to read through the ten pages of this thread, so apologies if this has already been discussed.

Here are my clues (with thanks to Ariane DeVere):

1. "Please, be aware that one of you is a high-ranking police officer. One of you is a member of the judiciary. One of you sits on the board of a prominent broadcaster."

2. "Anyone ever ‘opt’ to remember?"
    "Some people take the drip out, yeah. Some people have the same ... urges."

3. "Culverton gave me Faith’s original note.  A mutual friend put us in touch."

And from The Final Problem:

4. "Did you know his brother was a station master? I think he was always jealous."

So what I'm thinking is, CS takes the note from his daughter, and for some perverse reason keeps it as a trophy instead of destroying it. He continues to give monthly top-up confessions to his "friends" and at some point boasts that he has kept the note. One of the board members decides not to take the TD 12 drug and hears this confession. My first thought was the one connected to the prominent broadcaster (Moriarty's brother?) but it could have been any of them, really, even the judge or cop. Whoever it was, they took the information to Moriarty. The consulting criminal is in the business of collecting this sort of information in case it comes in useful. When he meets Eurus and she expresses her wish to meet Sherlock incognito (in order to gather her own information), Moriarty arranges for her to get the note so that she can pretend to be Faith and engage Sherlock in a case. She adds her own clues to the original note to enhance her disguise and to test Sherlock's deductive powers. When he misses the "big one" she knows he hasn't recognised who she really is.

What doesn't quite make sense to me, is why CS would give her the note. Did Moriarty make some sort of deal with him, allowing him to continue with his murder spree? Or was Sherlock dangled in front of CS as a potential victim? CS does say "I have a question for you. Why are you here? It’s like you walked into my den and laid down in front of me." So I'm thinking it's more the former than the latter.

 

January 28, 2017 6:54 am  #192


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I've just thought of another possible "easy" explanation: Eurus simply spoke to CS about the note and he did as she wanted him to (handed it over without question).

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January 28, 2017 7:49 am  #193


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I think Moriarty was one of those who didn't opt out. Their mutual friend.
As to why CS would give somebody the note to pass it to the famous detective - Sherlock says that serial killers advertise. They need an audience and a challenge. Sherlock would be both for CS.


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January 28, 2017 8:11 am  #194


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You think Moriarty himself was actually at those drugged meetings?

 

January 28, 2017 8:14 am  #195


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Why not? CS sounds like a friend right up Moriarty's strasse. And CS wasn't interested to have just anybody there, only his best friends.


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January 28, 2017 9:02 am  #196


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I don't know if Moriarty had anything to do with CS.


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January 28, 2017 9:19 am  #197


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Moriarty was definitely the "mutual friend", but Eurus wasn't necessarily speaking literally. I can't imagine him being an actual "friend" of CS, or at least not one of his board members. I prefer my theory, sorry

 

January 28, 2017 9:21 am  #198


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Yeah, sorry I got a bit confused there and was distracted by RL for a moment!
Yes I remembered 'the mutual friend ' thing and knew it to be Moriarty..I was just trying to recall the events/words and piece it altogether.


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February 2, 2017 8:18 am  #199


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Why does John think Sherlock is the monster?
Based on Mary´s words above "he is the cleverest man in the world but he is not a monster".... does Sherlock´s cleverness make him monstrous in John´s eyes?


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February 2, 2017 5:03 pm  #200


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Lovely exchange.


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