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January 6, 2017 9:10 pm  #21


Re: POLL: Your first impression (pre TLD and TFP!)

I loved the first 30 minutes from the start. It felt like "Sherlock", even if the looks were off somehow.
Then the long arch towards Mary's death left me wondering if I really had to like her, if she was really meant to be redeemed. 
Then "Go to hell, Sherlock" caught me by surprise and got me completely hooked.

Looking back, I must say that after watching it on Sunday, I already felt a lot better than after watching TEH back then. (I remember really disliking that episode. It was a bad feeling after waiting for new Sherlock for so long. So I understand and feel sorry for everybody who still struggles to like TST.) 

What I like about TST is how many great discussions it brought to the forum. I really love being here these days. 


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January 8, 2017 12:50 am  #22


Re: POLL: Your first impression (pre TLD and TFP!)

sherlocked wrote:

gently69 wrote:

Tbh I was disappointed. Any fear I had were fulfilled. But I still try working on it. To get more references.

I really disliked it, too, at first. I'm still not very fond of it. I found it muddled, too busy with all the onscreen overlays and messages and I didn't like the overall action saturated story arc. But I decided to postpone final judgement until I've seen all episodes. I said elsewhere that the script might turn out to be a lot cleverer and more multi-layered than we thought at first viewing. I do hope I'm right about this. Otherwise the many continuity errors would add up to a staggering number.
While I don't enjoy analysing the episode very much I sure got very interested in how it all will play out in the following episodes.
 

I had a similar response.  All of the visual and tonal weirdness was so jarring that it's made it hard to separate it from what happened (and whether I liked it or not).

ewige wrote:

Maybe the bad rap for the first ep is the price Moftiss are willing to pay for making TV history with this season. I just hope they are not setting up the second ep in the same manner too! TLD reviews indicate that we'll be getting some serious payoffs, so I still trust Moftiss to do the right thing.

I read somewhere, in a short review, that TLD is supposed to be "trippy" and from Sherlock's perspective.  They also said it might be divisive among fans.  And it worries me, considering how divisive TST actually was, that they only thought the second episode would be that way.  Makes me wonder how far they plan to go in episode 2, and how off the wall it might be.
 

 

January 8, 2017 1:01 am  #23


Re: POLL: Your first impression (pre TLD and TFP!)

I don't mind trippy, I mind illogical choices actions that seem ooc. A couple of payoffs have been promised for TLD so I hope we'll be shown what TST was really about.


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January 8, 2017 8:19 am  #24


Re: POLL: Your first impression (pre TLD and TFP!)

Unless we do have to wait right until the end.


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January 8, 2017 8:41 am  #25


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besleybean wrote:

Unless we do have to wait right until the end.

Yeah, I know... I hope it won't be difficult to follow the story if it keeps being a little illogical for much longer.


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January 8, 2017 10:03 am  #26


Re: POLL: Your first impression (pre TLD and TFP!)

I think TST made sense - it fitted with what went before, the cases kind of made sense, we got Mary's story completed and answers to our questions (not all, but many!).    I think TLD can be "trippy" but still make sense (even if we don't get it until the end).  I'm not too worried.  I'm actually surprised that TST was so divisive!  (And it sounds like Moftiss might be too!).

I suppose the thing that bothered me a little about TST was that it seemed too pat, the way Mary's story was resolved.  Maybe that's the way it should be (it did seem to nicely tick all the boxes!), or maybe there's more to come. 

 

January 8, 2017 10:57 am  #27


Re: POLL: Your first impression (pre TLD and TFP!)

I'm so glad you made that post, Liberty.
Some responses on here puzzled me, unless other have a different definition to 'strange', than the one I use.
Possibly I'm only saying that because things turned out kind of how I wanted them to.  I do pat myself on the back for correctly guessing that Mary would take a bullet for Sherlock.  Is it just obvious because we are so clever?!  To me it was completely logical she would sacrifice herself for someone she cared for.  She did that twice in this episode:  she took herself away from her family to try and protect them.  This for me was completely fitting with the Mary we were shown last series, so I am totally on board with Mark and Steven on that one...as I am with most things.
It was sad Mary had to die at all, but it's canon.
I had also correctly guessed John would blame Sherlock for Mary's death, heck he seems to blame him for the weather!
Yes there was all the water and the sharks, but sharks have been mentioned before and I am sure we will see the culmination of that theme.


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January 8, 2017 11:05 am  #28


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I think I read in an interview that the crew amused themselves by making up facts about sharks.  So all those tweets to Amanda that I spent hours trying to work out the meaning of ("sharks drive on the right", etc.) were probably just a continuation of that fun!

 

January 8, 2017 11:06 am  #29


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Yep, people are allowed to joke.
Ha!


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January 8, 2017 11:18 am  #30


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I call some writer's choices here strange because they look like lazy writing to me. Tiny details that struck me as OOC at the first viewing, you know?

I've always been a big fan of Mary as a storytelling device because she brought so much angst and tension into the show. Her shooting Sherlock, "not so obvious a trick", "because you chose her" - I loved HLV to bits thanks to Mary!

I knew she had to go and hoped Moftiss would make her death/disappearance really count. Well, they did, obviously, but I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS DRAMA. HLV was believable, every second of it, while TST felt like a shaky tower of mismatched Lego bricks. This is why I'm hoping there's more to it and that the ep's "strangeness" was meant to tipp us off.


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January 8, 2017 11:20 am  #31


Re: POLL: Your first impression (pre TLD and TFP!)

Are there any particular bricks you are unhappy with?


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January 8, 2017 11:28 am  #32


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Mary's death scene and the cheating. I hope there's more to both.

Also, I cringed at Sherlock's "Because I love it!" at the Whitehall (Ben delivered that line like a mix between a Bruce Willis film and a shampoo ad), but I can hardly hope THAT will be shown to us from a different perspective and thus gain a new meaning in the future http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png


(Also, about Mary: I don't mind at all that she saved Sherlock, I can believe in her doing that. I also appreciate symmetry in storytelling. The way the scene was shot raises a lot of questions tho and doesn't sit right with me, but I'm not alone there.)

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January 8, 2017 11:32 am  #33


Re: POLL: Your first impression (pre TLD and TFP!)

As you'll have seen, I'm perfectly happy with the former...I've discussed John's cheating on the relevant thread.  But yes, there may well be more to it.
Benedict seems to get these occasional odd lines written for him.  To me that one fits in with the 'Laterz' and 'Blud'.
Well for me the questioning Mary's death thing fits in the same category as Moriarty's death.  Currently, I am prepared to accept them both as real.


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January 8, 2017 11:48 am  #34


Re: POLL: Your first impression (pre TLD and TFP!)

Yes, I think there will be more to the cheating.  But I don't think it's OOC, as far as it went. 

 

January 8, 2017 12:05 pm  #35


Re: POLL: Your first impression (pre TLD and TFP!)

Personally, I liked the cheating (strange thing to write). My problem with the shooting is that is felt a bit like a soap-opera, at least the jumping in front of the bullet thing. I do not say that I don't believe it. I even like the idea of completing Mary's story this way, on paper, it is a nice mirror of HLV, but I am not the biggest fan of the execution. 


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January 8, 2017 12:09 pm  #36


Re: POLL: Your first impression (pre TLD and TFP!)

I agree. It was partly the slow motion, although I don't see how else they could have done that.  We needed time to get our heads around what was happening.   Maybe showing it in real time, then a slow motion action replay?  No, I suppose that would have been worse.

I feel that it would have been impossible for Mary to react so quickly (after the bullet was half way there), so in my head canon, she anticipates when Norbury is going to shoot.

I also think an awful lot was hinging on this episode because we'd waited so long.  For instance, to resolve whether Sherlock and John were plotting against Mary at the end of HLV.  It's an hour and a half to sort out three years of speculation!

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January 8, 2017 12:10 pm  #37


Re: POLL: Your first impression (pre TLD and TFP!)

Lola Red wrote:

...but I am not the biggest fan of the execution. 

Yes, that!
I'm not used to soapy stuff on Sherlock!
"That female director" is getting a lot of bad rap these days and I fiercely hope there was a good reason for the ep to look and feel as it does - to shut up misogynists at least.
 


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January 8, 2017 12:12 pm  #38


Re: POLL: Your first impression (pre TLD and TFP!)

Liberty wrote:

I agree. It was partly the slow motion, although I don't see how else they could have done that.  We needed time to get our heads around what was happening.   Maybe showing it in real time, then a slow motion action replay?  No, I suppose that would have been worse.

I feel that it would have been impossible for Mary to react so quickly (after the bullet was half way there), so in my head canon, she anticipates when Norbury is going to shoot.

I also think an awful lot was hinging on this episode because we'd waited so long.  For instance, to resolve whether Sherlock and John were plotting against Mary at the end of HLV.  It's an hour and a half to sort out three years of speculation!

I will also settle for thinking Mary anticipated the shot if we've been shown the real version of events.
And I agree about the three years' worth of speculations and expectations to deal with

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January 8, 2017 12:26 pm  #39


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Hmm...once again misogyny raising its ugly head-uncool.


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January 8, 2017 12:35 pm  #40


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It's a shame - is there really criticism because she's female.  I thought she did a wonderful job on Doctor Who, and as I keep saying, she directed my favourite Doctor Who episode by far.  I liked what she did with this, mostly.

 

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