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January 4, 2017 10:38 am  #41


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

Yes, sherlocked, I agree. And someone compared the two versions of Mary speaking on the DVD. She is saying the same words but with a completely different intonation and in one version she suppresses a sob. We are definitely asked to question what we see and hear. 

 


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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

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January 4, 2017 10:42 am  #42


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

SusiGo wrote:

Yes, sherlocked, I agree. And someone compared the two versions of Mary speaking on the DVD. She is saying the same words but with a completely different intonation and in one version she suppresses a sob. We are definitely asked to question what we see and hear. 

 

 
Maybe the manipulated Magnussen footage in the opening scene is the first indication to be careful with shown "truths".


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January 4, 2017 10:55 am  #43


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

Exactly. We are shown what can be done to change a story by creating a similar, but different version of it. 


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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

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January 4, 2017 11:19 am  #44


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

I remain unconvinced on this point...my gut feeling is it may more point to the lady being a plant.


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January 4, 2017 11:35 am  #45


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

Please look at this - more and more evidence for things happening in Sherlock's mind. Or they just happen to have the same lamps in 221 and Morocco. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

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January 4, 2017 11:39 am  #46


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

Hmm, flashback maybe?


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January 4, 2017 11:42 am  #47


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

So you think the same lamp does exist in two places that have no connection whatsoever? Or they found it nice and used it again? I think this is a hint that at least this version of Morocco does exist only in Sherlock's mind. And he furnished it with things that are familiar, hence the lamp. 

 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

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January 4, 2017 11:43 am  #48


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

or their happen to be working for the BBC on a limited budget... http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png

but as always...we will see.
Funny thing though with these sort of theories: Once one got invested in them one is tempted to see everything through that lens. You can't kill an idea...


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January 4, 2017 11:44 am  #49


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

I hope it isn't a reflection of Sherlock being high...
So has the hell already happened and he is recounting the tale?

EDIT: Possibly that's my problem, I remain unconvinced about any extended mind palace theories...except for TAB, of course.

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January 4, 2017 11:45 am  #50


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

But this is not a theory but a fact. The lamps are there for everyone to see. Arwel Wyn Jones is very meticulous in his job. And they filmed in Morocco where you can find lots of lamps. But they chose to use this. Balance of probability, if you ask me. 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

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January 4, 2017 11:46 am  #51


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

Fair enough...we'll see how it plays out.


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January 4, 2017 11:59 am  #52


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

It's not the same lamp. Helluva similar but not the same.
Funny, Arwel. Really funny. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/errr.png

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January 4, 2017 12:01 pm  #53


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

The lamp actually looks like a different shape in the shots, but it could just be the angle.   Yes, they may have reused the lamp - I suspect that they would shoot the interiors in the UK, and the outdoor shots in Morocco.  So the room may have been a constructed set in Cardiff.   And the lamp could be a significant clue, or just used for fun.   I'm aware that the "clues" to TAB being mind palace (before it became completely evident) were actually pretty obvious, and mostly written into the script. 

I admit I'm influenced by wanting the thing to be real.  If this isn't real and HLV is mostly EMP, then I start to feel, what's the point?  They're writing in a kind of fantasy world anyway - if they make the whole thing a fantasy within that then it cancels it out and it might as well be real.  I agree that there are some unreal aspects to TST, but I would be very frustrated if I found that, for instance, Sherlock did when Mary shot him, or overdosed at the beginning of HLV, and this is all a dream.  No, thank you. 

 

January 4, 2017 12:10 pm  #54


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

Definitive different.
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January 4, 2017 12:17 pm  #55


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

Arwel is a mean person...just kidding.http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png

 


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January 4, 2017 12:28 pm  #56


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

Have I missed something?
Hasn't the whole of HLV been proved to be real?
By the changing of the footage of Sherlock shooting CAM, if by nothing else?.


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January 4, 2017 12:37 pm  #57


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

The photos of Watson´s flat were released:

http://nixxie-fic.tumblr.com/post/155385262885/pt-3-of-5-brand-new-pics-hq-screencaps-from

Is it different than before or not?


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January 4, 2017 12:41 pm  #58


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

Yes, it is. The door in the last pic, left of the windows, is not there in MHR and HLV. John opens the door to Isaac's mother, walking to the other side, not to the window side. 

And another "continuity error":

http://softjlc.tumblr.com/post/155387863782/yet-another-discontinuity-in-tst
 


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

http://up.picr.de/28609194so.png

 
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January 4, 2017 12:42 pm  #59


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

besleybean wrote:

Have I missed something?
Hasn't the whole of HLV been proved to be real?
By the changing of the footage of Sherlock shooting CAM, if by nothing else?.

For those who do not believe in EMP, yes. But for those who do? As I just said, you cannot kill an idea. Or as Doyle put it, once you have committed to a theory "It biases the judgment" (and please note that I don not mean that as critism towards anyone who does commit to a theory)

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January 4, 2017 12:46 pm  #60


Re: TST - what is real in this episode?

Wow at some point we have to believe something in the show is real...
I sometimes wonder if I'm watching the same show as other people.
Ho do people account for the doctored footage then?

EDIT: oh and wow, can't wait to see the significance of Lestrade's bag...and I don't mean the lovely detective!

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