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January 2, 2016 10:26 pm  #21


Re: Sherlock's Addiction

Oh yeah! As in, not done taking drugs yet.


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January 2, 2016 10:31 pm  #22


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Sadly yes... 

Maybe he's having a feeble hope that 'the devil' ia. Moriarty can distract him enough so he doesn't have to... while he might be doing the opposite (but then I am biased from my own experiences and might be reading way too much of myself into it?) 


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January 2, 2016 10:35 pm  #23


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This Is The Phantom Lady wrote:

I do believe Sherlock took the drugs to numb himself... he must have been feeling way, way too much now that he thought he would never see his friend again. I can 'understand' how he'd want to forget... maybe even escape the world forever... It's likely he took more drugs during his mind palace scene to 'heighten his senses'... and I take the scene at the Diogenese club where Mycroft asks for a list and Sherlock says he's not done yet.. 

This seems very plausible to me too. 


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January 2, 2016 10:55 pm  #24


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And me.


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January 2, 2016 11:04 pm  #25


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Mycroft: "You in deep, Sherlock, deeper than you ever intended to be. Have you made a list?"
Sherlock: "Of what?"
Mycroft: "Everything. We will need a list."

That tells me that Sherlock miscalculated for once and OD'd, but not deliberately.

 

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January 2, 2016 11:08 pm  #26


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But nothing about why he consumed.


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January 2, 2016 11:17 pm  #27


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He might have lost track... and maybe he did not want to keep track either. Which is why my heart aches. 

He wasn't just a user... though that's what he'd like to think. He was tempted to do more...  He got lost in his own mind and the drugs... 


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January 3, 2016 2:15 am  #28


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"Are you sure it's still just a 7% solution that you take? I think you may have increased the dosage."
"Perhaps I have been a little fanciful. But perhaps such things could come to pass."

I don't quite know what to make of Sherlock's comment, but the line seems rather important.
Any ideas...?
 


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January 3, 2016 2:37 am  #29


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Lilythiell wrote:

"Are you sure it's still just a 7% solution that you take? I think you may have increased the dosage."
"Perhaps I have been a little fanciful. But perhaps such things could come to pass."

I don't quite know what to make of Sherlock's comment, but the line seems rather important.
Any ideas...?
 

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January 3, 2016 3:24 am  #30


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I've just read something on Tumblr. An explanationof why Sherlock would have a history of using..
It's disturbing because it seems plausible.
Thoughts?


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January 3, 2016 9:17 am  #31


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Also guys, aren't you forgetting that Sherlock took the drugs BEFORE he got on the plane, BEFORE he found out about Moriarty...he didn't take them in order to solve the case...according to Mycroft he was already high on the tarmac, and John seemed to agree that he couldn't have taken all the "list" at once because he wouldn't have had time.

I think you are probably right, but I don't get the feeling the tarmac scene was filmed as Sherlock being out of it.   I know he doesn't seem to be to John and Mary, but he doesn't seem to be to us either - at all.  I could just about accept that he timed things just right so the effect didn't hit him until a few minutes into the plane journey, but Mycroft claims that he was affected on the tarmac but hid it.   I find that difficult to buy.  Although it might just be because he really wasn't supposed to be out of it on the tarmac at the time of filming! (I mean, Moftiss came up with the idea after HLV).  But to me there's a clear difference in his state.  So I think there's still some ambiguity.  

It also seems to be clear that Sherlock couldn't have solved the Ricoletti case and worked out what Moriarty was going to do without the drugs.  I wonder if there's an attempt to counterbalance that by showing the danger (John's shock) and Mycroft's concern and disapproval - after all, they don't want to give the message that drugs are good and help you think!   
 

 

January 3, 2016 9:47 am  #32


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Liberty wrote:

he really wasn't supposed to be out of it on the tarmac at the time of filming! (I mean, Moftiss came up with the idea after HLV).

How are we to know they came up with the idea afterwards? They certainly knew before, they do seem to think things through, and in advance (reasonably enough, let's not talk about the resolution of series 1 cliffhanger, we know they took their time to find the idea of the ringing mobile.

Liberty wrote:

It also seems to be clear that Sherlock couldn't have solved the Ricoletti case and worked out what Moriarty was going to do without the drugs.  I wonder if there's an attempt to counterbalance that by showing the danger (John's shock) and Mycroft's concern and disapproval - after all, they don't want to give the message that drugs are good and help you think!   

I agree, it really would be more than a bit not good if they were to do that.


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January 3, 2016 9:59 am  #33


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We don't know that they came up with the idea later, but you missed out of some my quote (and I don't think I was clear anyway)! I was just saying it's a possibility.  It would help to explain why there are no clues in the tarmac scene, and why absolutely none of us (I don't think) picked up on it.  (I also got the impression from interviews that the actors didn't know about the Victorian mind palace, and possibly therefore the drugs, until after filming HLV, but that's only an impression - it could be more to do with timing of interviews).    It's also possible that Moftiss had it in their heads, as writers, but didn't tell the actors (well, apart from Mycroft's actor - ha ha!).   The problem I have with it, is that it kind of negates that goodbye scene between Sherlock and John - to some extent, anyway - it's drug-induced. 

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January 3, 2016 10:11 am  #34


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Oh, right. Apologies.

As for not seeing any clue from the cast's interviews and such, we already know that they are really good at omitting certain things giving us unclear information, deliberately giving red herrings as well as extremely vague answers.
I really think they knew where exactly they were going beforehand, but that's just me probably being irrationally loyal and faithful.

And, for the record, I don't mean that you're not =) I mean that I am unable (unwilling?) to go past that ;)


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January 3, 2016 10:16 am  #35


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Lilythiell wrote:

"Are you sure it's still just a 7% solution that you take? I think you may have increased the dosage."
"Perhaps I have been a little fanciful. But perhaps such things could come to pass."

I don't quite know what to make of Sherlock's comment, but the line seems rather important.
Any ideas...?
 

I took that as Watson thinking Sherlock's musings on the future being too "out there", and therefore wondering if he had upped his dosage to see such things. Sherlock admits his thoughts of what the future might hold could be a bit "fanciful", but that he still thinks those things are possible and might happen.


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January 3, 2016 10:31 am  #36


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No need to apologise, Lilythiell - it was me who wasn't clear!  Yes, I like to believe it's all planned out too, but I feel there should have been a clue in the tarmac scene ... I do feel that they've left it ambiguous and we can decide for ourselves.   It seems a bit of a coincidence that Sherlock just happened to take exactly the right drugs and dose that would induce a particular state that would help him solve the Moriarty thing, IF he didn't know that he was going to have to solve the Moriarty thing.   Maybe it was planned to be ambiguous just because they didn't want to give us any clues in S3. 

I'm also a bit bothered by the "addict" comments - are we meant to believe Sherlock has been secretly (and daily?) using since 2010?  (I don't think so, although I do think it's possible he used something now and then). 
 

 

January 3, 2016 10:34 am  #37


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Which would enhance John's violent reaction even more so, because it just adds to the betrayal Sherlock had thrust upon him...

Oh, my, this is sad. So very sad.


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January 3, 2016 10:39 am  #38


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Lilythiell wrote:

I've just read something on Tumblr. An explanationof why Sherlock would have a history of using..
It's disturbing because it seems plausible.
Thoughts?

This is really quite brilliant, Lily. And quite plausible. Just one question: What about Mycroft mentioning "the other one"? If there was such a past tragedy he covered up, why would his political colleagues know about it? 


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January 3, 2016 10:40 am  #39


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I think poor John just feels frustrated with Sherlock.
He loves him and wants what's best for him...and he always saves him.


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January 3, 2016 10:40 am  #40


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Once an addict, always an addict... even if he's been off the 'sauce' for a while... replacing his urges with cases, cigarettes and nicotine plasters... One never really stop being an addict... and once there's a crack big enough... 

Sherlock talking about being a user rather than an addict... that hurt me. I don't think he was in control at all. He would not have been close to OD'ing (or OD'ing) if he was using the drugs, rather than the drugs having control over him. 

 


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