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January 2, 2016 7:44 pm  #21


Re: Clues for Season 4

Bibliophile10 wrote:

Punch me in the face wrote:

Really?

I just remember the scene in which Greg is in Mycroft's office after Sherlock escaped from hospital: Mycroft waves him away so that he hurries up and looks for Sherlock. Maybe I have missed a thing? ?

 
That must be it. Sorry

Yes I think so.

Because Mycroft barely pays attention to Greg and waves him away. It looks like he's not bothered but I think that deep inside, he's very worried about sherlock in this scene.


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January 2, 2016 8:09 pm  #22


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Is that this scene, at 2'32" ?? (it's not that I want to advertise my vids, but I knew I had used this scene in one of them... Haha, i don't even ship Mystrade, but I thought that song really suited them http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/tongue.png
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January 2, 2016 8:17 pm  #23


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Yes, that's the one.

 

January 2, 2016 9:44 pm  #24


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I suppose the big thing for me is that TAB hopefully cleared up the two big cliffhangers - Moriarty and Mary.  With such a long wait for S4, I'm glad we still don't have those hanging over us.  I'm happy to accept that Moriarty is dead, and that Mary is considered OK by Sherlock, John and Mycroft.  (I know both those things could still change ... but I'm happy to know where we are when we go into S4). 

I know you are probably all right about Mycroft, but it's something I really, really don't want to think about.    And Mary replacing Mycroft - no!  For one thing, she can't - she's not Sherlock's brother, and I think it's the particular brotherly relationship that those two have that's important.  I also don't think she's supposed to be as clever as Mycroft.   I really hope this doesn't happen. 
(Also I love Mycroft and don't love Mary, but that's beside the point, I know).

Sorry, but no.

Mycroft is sooo worried about Sherlock doing drugs, he demands a list from him and he preaches to him, because drugs might kill Sherlock... and yet he is sitting in cosy amiable setting with the person who a) actually killed Sherlock for real and b) nearly cost his brother his freedom and therefore brought him to the state in which he overdosed himself?

What kind of priorities are that?

If this is the way Mycroft thinks now, please, kill him off quickly, he is completely useless and senile already, I´d hate to see him deteriorated beyond the point of recognition, deposed by some Mary Sue. 

And about the hope that Mary doesn´t prove as clever as Mycroft.... didn´t she already outhacked MI5, spoke condescendingly about his non-existent security, all the while flaunting her CIA-assassin identity in front of Mycroft... she already did that and more. 
 


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January 2, 2016 9:55 pm  #25


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And speaking of bumps - Mary definitely has one in the cementery, but not in the aeroplane when she is sitting in front of Sherlock:

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January 2, 2016 9:57 pm  #26


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http://nerdist.com/sherlock-the-abominable-bride-recap-the-parallels-of-the-mind/

Near the end of the article, it has an interesting take on what Mycroft's and Mary's roles may be.

 

January 2, 2016 10:00 pm  #27


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I'm hoping they're throwing us off with this 'foreshadowing' of Mycroft's death. It should be Mary who dies since she does in the original series of Sherlock Holmes stories. Yes, I know they don't follow that to a tee but I think that story arc needs to play out. Please let that play out and leave my Mycroft alone!!!
 


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January 2, 2016 10:16 pm  #28


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I honestly don't see foreshadowing and I don't think that any was intended....

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January 2, 2016 10:17 pm  #29


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Bibliophile10 wrote:

http://nerdist.com/sherlock-the-abominable-bride-recap-the-parallels-of-the-mind/

Near the end of the article, it has an interesting take on what Mycroft's and Mary's roles may be.

I´ve read it but it doesn´t exactly explain why did Mycroft´s masterplan include his brother being fatally shot by an American superhacker....

My theory: You can´t overdose anymore if you die by a bullet before you inject yourself with a deadly dose of cocaine. So Mycroft ordered Mary to kill Sherlock to save him from drugs. What a good soul. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/tongue.png


Or maybe he did tell her "oh, just give him a shot" and she misunderstood? http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/tongue.png

 


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January 2, 2016 10:18 pm  #30


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nakahara... 


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January 2, 2016 10:25 pm  #31


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The fact that we're all discussing and (the majority of us) believing the theory that Mycroft is going to die, probably means that he most definitely won't die...since Moftiss have this habit of being able to totally surprise us.


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January 2, 2016 10:46 pm  #32


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nakahara wrote:

Bibliophile10 wrote:

http://nerdist.com/sherlock-the-abominable-bride-recap-the-parallels-of-the-mind/

Near the end of the article, it has an interesting take on what Mycroft's and Mary's roles may be.

I´ve read it but it doesn´t exactly explain why did Mycroft´s masterplan include his brother being fatally shot by an American superhacker....

My theory: You can´t overdose anymore if you die by a bullet before you inject yourself with a deadly dose of cocaine. So Mycroft ordered Mary to kill Sherlock to save him from drugs. What a good soul. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/tongue.png


Or maybe he did tell her "oh, just give him a shot" and she misunderstood? http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/tongue.png

 

I think it was more of an explanation of their possible involvement in the 'return' of Moriarty and like Tonnaree said earlier, Mycroft is probably "holding several cards very closely to his vest." about many other things.

 

January 2, 2016 11:21 pm  #33


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I don't think Mary getting the MI5 information shows that she's more clever than Mycroft.  It just shows that she's skilled at what she does (whatever that is!  We're still not clear!).  Clearly, she's intelligent (and Sherlock feels that that's overlooked in the Victorian setting), but I don't think Sherlock ever sees her as rival in that department (in his mind palace, it's clear that Mycroft is the clever one). 

 

January 2, 2016 11:27 pm  #34


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I'm not sure where this idea that Mycroft will die comes from, and why it's become so "popular" so quickly. Why are you guys so sure that it's foreshadowing and not just a funny stab at how Sherlock portrays Mycroft in his MP?

Edit: Also, for the first time I agree with Mary being a Mary Sue. Now she even outwits Mycroft and has John as a lap dog (that was only in Sherlock's MP, though, so hopefully not a realistic rendering).

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January 2, 2016 11:34 pm  #35


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Well, hopefully John is not in the habit of pulling Mary physically away from places in real life.

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January 2, 2016 11:58 pm  #36


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Vhanja wrote:

I'm not sure where this idea that Mycroft will die comes from, and why it's become so "popular" so quickly. Why are you guys so sure that it's foreshadowing and not just a funny stab at how Sherlock portrays Mycroft in his MP?

Edit: Also, for the first time I agree with Mary being a Mary Sue. Now she even outwits Mycroft and has John as a lap dog (that was only in Sherlock's MP, though, so hopefully not a realistic rendering).

 
About the foreshadowing: Along with the bets placed in the MP on how long he had left; in reality, when Mycroft asked John to take care of Sherlock and when he said he would ' always' be there for him.
I am also hoping that It is another Motfiss misdirection

 

January 3, 2016 12:13 am  #37


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Bibliophile10 wrote:

Vhanja wrote:

I'm not sure where this idea that Mycroft will die comes from, and why it's become so "popular" so quickly. Why are you guys so sure that it's foreshadowing and not just a funny stab at how Sherlock portrays Mycroft in his MP?

Edit: Also, for the first time I agree with Mary being a Mary Sue. Now she even outwits Mycroft and has John as a lap dog (that was only in Sherlock's MP, though, so hopefully not a realistic rendering).

 
About the foreshadowing: Along with the bets placed in the MP on how long he had left; in reality, when Mycroft asked John to take care of Sherlock and when he said he would ' always' be there for him.

I definitely agree with that second part of the sentence. I'm not even taking into account what's going on with Mycroft in the mind palace, for me it's just what Mycroft says on the plane. That he helped Sherlock in the past and that he will always help him in the future. And yes, the fact that he's asking John to take care of Sherlock. Just look into Mycroft's eyes here... all of this (and yes, it's not much, but for me it's more than enough) comes across as something so sad... But what he said about always helping Sherlock will get a real impact if Mycroft dies in S4 and just can't be there for Sherlock anymore.
Maybe it's too obvious for Mofftiss, maybe it isn't, I guess with Mofftiss you never can be sure.
 


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January 3, 2016 7:49 am  #38


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Vhanja wrote:

Perhaps there is truth in the MP, and Mycroft tolerates Mary because she is now under his thumb? 

I like to believe that he lets her work for him (if he really does outside the MP) to control her.


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January 3, 2016 8:34 am  #39


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Two years, eleven months and four days onto whenever Sherlock is in his state on the plane (2014) would equal up to around early January 2017 for us as the viewer. Mycroft's death seems to be hinted at happening during our next outing with the gang.

As for Moriarty, he's "So much more than a man" (Paraphrased) as told to us by the cabbie from ASiP and so perhaps the hydra grows another head and in this case it is that of a woman. Janine Donlevy could be fun but I'm hoping for someone else unknown altogether. The Sherlock world is small enough as it is.

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January 3, 2016 9:19 am  #40


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Right I just finished another long post on the Abominable bride' thread, from my notes on my 2nd viewing.
I also had quite a few thoughts about, well 3 of them on future implications, which I thought would be better here.
There is another thought I had, which could be relevant to clues for season 4- in terms of future Johnlock.
I will be quick and brief, as I need to go and get ready soon,
I will do them alphabetically!
1. Johnlock. I don't see much chance of this in S4. Look at Holmes and Watson's replies, to Moriarty's infamous 'elopement' line. 'Impudence', says Watson, as though he was addressing his maid. "Offensive' says Holmes. Wow. That's bad. I don't remember him ever referring to anything else as being 'offensive'.  Strong condemnation of the idea of elopement, indeed.
1. Mary: canonically, it is Mary who should die...Mark and Steven seems to like it as canonical as possible. Yet she does seem very cosy with Mycroft and clearly capable. Do they want a stronger female role?
2. Moriarty: could he be the one who dies in S4, if he is actually still alive? But how will they find another villain, who isn't a second rate Moriarty?
3. Mycroft. They do seem to be forshadowing his death. But does he die in canon? I rather think(in fact fear) he might...

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