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October 8, 2015 10:44 am  #21


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

But are there any ACD ghost stories? I think I've read them all, and I don't recall any mention of ghosts.


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October 8, 2015 11:20 am  #22


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

This is probably a really stupid question... forgive me... 

I was just wondering about Mary's black dress... Is anyone a bit more History-buff than I am? 
I know in Denmark there was a time when wedding and confirmation dresses were black. Was there a time in England when that was the case as well? And does it fit with this? 

 


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October 8, 2015 11:38 am  #23


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

I assumed it was because when Watson meets Mary Morstan in canon (The Sign of the Four) her father has just died, so she's in mourning.

Edit: Well, he's missing presumed dead, and then the case is solved and she learns of his fate. So if the Special is set just after, she would be in mourning. One thing I'm not sure of, is if a woman stops dressing in black once she gets married?

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October 8, 2015 2:47 pm  #24


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

I don't recall any ghosts either. "Baskerville" is the only story that relies heavily on the supposed supernatural aspect. There's the Sussex vampire, too, of course, although that one isn't really about supernatural phenomena, just about people supposedly acting like a psycho. Ghosts, none, as far as I'm aware. It's really odd.

Phantom Lady, I know nothing about wedding traditions in Victorian Britain, re: Mary's dress. But I still love your signature. Just saying. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png


As for how long one would have worn mourning, for a dead husband, a year. Not so much out of piety but to make sure that you didn't remarry until the new husband could be sure that your next kid was his, and not the deceased's. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/shocked.png


For someone else near and dear, I believe around a month would have been traditional, but if you felt like extending that period, you were certainly free to.

All this without academic footnotes to back it up, just what I seem to remember to have read.

I'd like to raise the question whether black wasn't an acceptable dress colour outside mourning at that time, too. At least for women in professional roles, like housekeepers, maids etc. Mary Morstan in ACD canon worked as a governess when she met John, so maybe the black dress is just her semi-uniform-like work wear.


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October 9, 2015 2:40 pm  #25


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

Here are some very interesting comparisons between the trailer and TPLOSH:

http://teaandforeshadowing.tumblr.com/post/130812428008/wellthengameover-wellthengameover


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October 9, 2015 3:05 pm  #26


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Or she is mourning the death of her baby 😈


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October 10, 2015 1:11 am  #27


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

Mark Gatiss, on the subject of "ghosts" (found on tumblr). I wonder what we can deduce about the Special from this, given there are no ACD stories about actual ghosts?

"I realised that the thing we're most afraid of nowadays is faceless government and conspiracy theories. There's a conspiracy theory about everything and they're almost the modern equivalent of ghost stories. And the great thing is, they can have all the tropes of a ghost story." - Mark Gatiss, 2012
"There are lots of people in happy marriages who turn out to have terrible secrets or to have done some awful deed in the past that must be paid for in the present.  In Doyle's stories, those are the ghosts you need to worry about." - Mark Gatiss, 2012

Also this:
“Of all ghosts the ghosts of our old loves are the worst.” - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, The Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes


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October 10, 2015 1:40 am  #28


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

ukaunz wrote:

Mark Gatiss, on the subject of "ghosts" (found on tumblr). I wonder what we can deduce about the Special from this, given there are no ACD stories about actual ghosts?

"I realised that the thing we're most afraid of nowadays is faceless government and conspiracy theories. There's a conspiracy theory about everything and they're almost the modern equivalent of ghost stories. And the great thing is, they can have all the tropes of a ghost story." - Mark Gatiss, 2012
"There are lots of people in happy marriages who turn out to have terrible secrets or to have done some awful deed in the past that must be paid for in the present.  In Doyle's stories, those are the ghosts you need to worry about." - Mark Gatiss, 2012

Also this:
“Of all ghosts the ghosts of our old loves are the worst.” - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, The Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes

Ooooooh, this makes my brain tingle


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October 10, 2015 6:26 am  #29


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

Very interesting, ukaunz. And it goes perfectly with the trailer quote about the past and the sunny days.


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October 10, 2015 9:54 am  #30


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Oooh! Good catch ukaunz! That is surely very interesting!


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October 10, 2015 9:59 am  #31


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Mark's last quote also throws an interesting light on HLV. 


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October 10, 2015 10:04 am  #32


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*shivers* It does! It makes an awful lot of sence about HLV


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October 12, 2015 12:11 pm  #33


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Some theories on the content of the Special:

http://finalproblem.tumblr.com/post/130896543905/matchmaker-matchmaker
 


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October 12, 2015 12:38 pm  #34


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

I love this. Brilliant. And even if does not turn out to be the plot of the special, someone the hell write a novel about it. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png

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October 12, 2015 1:45 pm  #35


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

I really like this!   A very interesting read, regardless of whether it turns out to be "correct". 

 

October 12, 2015 4:20 pm  #36


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I honestly didnt understand half  of it but the point about the KKK hats and women's height is clever


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October 12, 2015 5:31 pm  #37


Re: What is the Special about? (Spoilers)

ukaunz wrote:

Mark Gatiss, on the subject of "ghosts" (found on tumblr). I wonder what we can deduce about the Special from this, given there are no ACD stories about actual ghosts?

"I realised that the thing we're most afraid of nowadays is faceless government and conspiracy theories. There's a conspiracy theory about everything and they're almost the modern equivalent of ghost stories. And the great thing is, they can have all the tropes of a ghost story." - Mark Gatiss, 2012
"There are lots of people in happy marriages who turn out to have terrible secrets or to have done some awful deed in the past that must be paid for in the present.  In Doyle's stories, those are the ghosts you need to worry about." - Mark Gatiss, 2012

Also this:
“Of all ghosts the ghosts of our old loves are the worst.” - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, The Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes

Oh, what an excellent catch, ukaunz!

I've read the theory on Matches/Women/Secret Society, I admit the theory is interesting (and let's be frank, it's always a pleasure to read something rather well thought out...especially when there's only 1'30'' of original source material, but I digress), but I don't believe in it. No, I haven't another theory to propose.
To be honest, I'm more on board with all those parallels with TPLOSH (it has a special place in our hearts, and in Mark's as well, does it not?).
That whole article (the parallels) is just another echo to Arwel's tweet and "easter special", I rather think.


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October 12, 2015 6:57 pm  #38


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I love the theory, it would be hilarious if someone got that much right from the tiny tidbits of source material they released so far. Looking at the picture I agree that the secret society looks like women, not just the average height but also the postures and cuts of the robes. But I guess we have to hear some of their incantations to be sure..http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/tongue.png


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October 12, 2015 9:24 pm  #39


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Well I like that theory better than KKK.


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October 12, 2015 9:27 pm  #40


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Zatoichi wrote:

I love the theory, it would be hilarious if someone got that much right from the tiny tidbits of source material they released so far. Looking at the picture I agree that the secret society looks like women, not just the average height but also the postures and cuts of the robes. But I guess we have to hear some of their incantations to be sure..http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/tongue.png


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I wonder whether the secret society will be The People's Front of Judea or the Judean People's Front. 
 


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