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August 4, 2015 9:27 am  #41


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

A reminder: The theme of the thread is "how will the show deal with Mary being present in the next season and with the beby" and not "what is the fastest way to get rid of her without killing her". We have already a couple of those.  

 

August 4, 2015 10:01 am  #42


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

nakahara wrote:

Mary´s past catches up to her in S4 and her former criminal "colleagues" find her. When she spots one of them on the street, she knows she´s toast. So she apes Sherlock and fakes her own death, escaping to Sussex Downs and hiding at Janine´s place.

John comes home to find everything shattered and a pool of blood in the bedroom. Police concludes that Mary was probably killed (and they actually suspect John as a perpetrator), yet Sherlock with his sharp observation skills notices that the clues are faked and starts vigorously investigating the truth, acompanied by the shaken and confused John. They reveal the secret of Mary´s past and yes, it terribly ugly. After a few days, they find Mary at Janine´s cottage, but alas! Mary´s enemies were shadowing them and as long as Mary appears in front of the cottage, they start shooting at her.

Mary jumps into Janine´s car and furiously drives away, pursued by the enemies. John jumps into the car they rented with Sherlock and follows them at high speed. Sherlock remains forgotten in front of the cottage, desperately spinning to all sides, not knowing what to do.

And old lady, passing by on a bicycle, stops, offers her bicycle to Sherlock and tells him: "It´s not that quick, but it´s better than nothing."
Sherlock jumps on top of a bicycle: "Thank you so much, Mrs.....?"
"Marple. Miss Jane Marple."
"I owe you, Miss Marple!"

Sherlock starts pedalling like a devil and goes after cars that disappeared already.

John sees Mary´s car at the edge of the famous white cliffs, "The Seven Sisters" and spots Mary being engaged in a shooting fifgt with her enemies. He joins her and together they dispatch the men. But how big is John´s surprise when instead of thanking him, Mary points a gun at him!

"I´m really sorry, John." she says. "I really do... but I won´t ever be safe if you would remain alive, knowing about my past. So it must end like this. But you will always remain in my heart, I promise you, honey."
John swallows and rasps, his throat dry as a sandpaper: "I´m armed too, you know... I can still shoot you in retaliation."
Mary laughs: "You, shooting me? Then do it, come on!"
John sqeezes his pistol tightly, but Mary´s right, he can´t bring himself to shoot a woman. He pales and awaits his death.

In that moment Sherlock appears. He is unarmed, but comprehending the situation immediatelly, he screams loudly and throws a bicycle at Mary. Mary, spotting this and shaken by his cry, turn and shoots blindly after him. But she hits the bicycle flying in the air instead and as the bicycle shatters in front of her, she takes a step back, slips accidentaly and with a horrible scream falls from the very top of the cliff down to the sea and is killed instantly.

John´s knees weaken and he find himself kneeling on the ground, panting in shock. Sherlock runs up to him and holds him for a long time. John hugs him tightly and pressing his face into Sherlock´s chest, he closes his eyes tightly, prepared to never let go of him.

After a while, John stops sniffing and seems a bit better. Sherlock slowly caresses his back and sais in a subdued voice: "I´m so sorry for your loss, John. I never meant for this to happen."
John rubs his red rimmed eyes and smiles weakly at him: "You know, Sherlock... it´s OK. Her strange sense y."

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August 4, 2015 10:40 am  #43


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

Swanpride wrote:

A reminder: The theme of the thread is "how will the show deal with Mary being present in the next season and with the beby" and not "what is the fastest way to get rid of her without killing her". We have already a couple of those.  

OK, OK, so she falls down the cliff, but survives without much damage. Dog survived the fall from the same cliff without much harm, so Mary can too.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1252897/Miracle-dog-survived-300ft-drop-chasing-seagull-clifftop.html

She swims to the shore and starts plotting a devilish revenge intended for S5 immediatelly.

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August 4, 2015 11:02 am  #44


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

Swanpride wrote:

A reminder: The theme of the thread is "how will the show deal with Mary being present in the next season and with the beby" and not "what is the fastest way to get rid of her without killing her". We have already a couple of those.  

Point taken. While I still think that it is relatively unlikely that Mary and the kid will stay in the show on long term, I’d say that if they stay they both will take a bit of a back seat. Basically because TPTB have said time and time again that this show is a show about a great friendship, a show about a detective (and his blogger). I think it would be hard enough to get Mary to fit in well into the narrative (I think Doyle had the same problem, which is why Mary is rarely mentioned after the sign of the four and eventually written out), but especially the baby I think will be hard to get to fit in story-wise. On the other hand, who would have thought that there could be room for another female character in the Holmes universe besides Irene Adler and Mrs Hudson, and yet many of us (me included) adore Molly. I stand by my prediction that Sherlock and the baby will likely have to stand in for some comic relief and Mary’s past will come back in some way and cause some angst, possibly even the death of a beloved character.
 


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August 4, 2015 12:18 pm  #45


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

Oh my...  how I would......not like that, neither the first nor the second prediction...


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August 4, 2015 12:23 pm  #46


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

I especially hate the thought of Sherlock being reduced to some ridiculous comic-relief for the sake of Watson´s baby.... http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/errr.png


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August 4, 2015 12:26 pm  #47


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

nakahara wrote:

I especially hate the thought of Sherlock being reduced to some ridiculous comic-relief for the sake of Watson´s baby.... http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/errr.png

 
Where can I sign this?


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Eventually everyone will support Johnlock.


"If you're not reading the subtext then hell mend you"  -  Steven Moffat
"Love conquers all" Benedict Cumberbatch on Sherlock's and John's relationship
"This is a show about a detective, his best friend, his wife, their baby and their dog" - Nobody. Ever.

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August 4, 2015 12:36 pm  #48


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

mrshouse wrote:

Oh my... how I would......not like that, neither the first nor the second prediction...

Me neither, but I still think it is very likely, especially the first. You have a TV-show. You have a baby. You have a character that is notoriously challenged in his social interactions. My experience as a viewer tells me where this is going. If they avoid it I would be pleasantly surprised. The second I could deal with, if it is done well (not saying I will not cry for weeks). 
 


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August 4, 2015 5:22 pm  #49


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

Lola Red wrote:

Swanpride wrote:

A reminder: The theme of the thread is "how will the show deal with Mary being present in the next season and with the beby" and not "what is the fastest way to get rid of her without killing her". We have already a couple of those.  

Point taken. While I still think that it is relatively unlikely that Mary and the kid will stay in the show on long term, I’d say that if they stay they both will take a bit of a back seat. Basically because TPTB have said time and time again that this show is a show about a great friendship, a show about a detective (and his blogger). I think it would be hard enough to get Mary to fit in well into the narrative (I think Doyle had the same problem, which is why Mary is rarely mentioned after the sign of the four and eventually written out), but especially the baby I think will be hard to get to fit in story-wise. On the other hand, who would have thought that there could be room for another female character in the Holmes universe besides Irene Adler and Mrs Hudson, and yet many of us (me included) adore Molly. I stand by my prediction that Sherlock and the baby will likely have to stand in for some comic relief and Mary’s past will come back in some way and cause some angst, possibly even the death of a beloved character.
 

 
This is something I can sign! At least for S4E1 we will probably see Mary and her baby playing their roles in which way ever. But finally, either slowly or suddenly, they will leave the show. I don't know when and how, but I'm sure it will happen.
For the first episode I can imagine, too, that we'll see a few funny, comic scenes where Sherlock just has to prove his lack of social competence such as handling with a baby and its mother and father ... Well, I don't think this will be too hard to bare :-).


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August 4, 2015 6:33 pm  #50


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

Lola Red wrote:

mrshouse wrote:

Oh my... how I would......not like that, neither the first nor the second prediction...

Me neither, but I still think it is very likely, especially the first. You have a TV-show. You have a baby. You have a character that is notoriously challenged in his social interactions. My experience as a viewer tells me where this is going. If they avoid it I would be pleasantly surprised. The second I could deal with, if it is done well (not saying I will not cry for weeks).

I'm still hoping we won't have a baby. I'm sure Mofftiss could find a way to get rid of it before it even makes an appearance on the show, and I really hope that's what they will do.
As for Mary, I can live with her causing angst and pain (which she already did, I know) as long as this brings the boys closer together again in the end.


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August 4, 2015 7:36 pm  #51


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

Doyle had no interest in female characters whatsoever, which is why he never went forther with Mrs Hudson than "she is the landlady" either. Well, to be fair, he was rarely interested in spending any time on any character who wasn't Holmes or Watson. Mary was mostly problematic for him because he had to constantly think up reasons why Watson would just go on an adventure with no regard to his wife. Though I personally think that it was a good thing, because it forced him to be a little bit more creative, plus, it was a welcome change from "two people sit in a room and a client turns up".

Also, a large problem in the books was that a man had to provide for his wife, so it wasn't acceptable for Watson to just loiter around with some detective any longer. But in modern times, Mary can just as well say "screw it, I am already providing a stable income, if you want to make your money (I presume that John got part of the fees Sherlock did, otherwise he would have been broke in the second season) this way, go ahead". And that is provided that Mary doesn't have some nice little nest egg from which they could live comfortably if they really had to. Mary's clothes look a little bit expensive for a simple nurse.

 

August 4, 2015 7:50 pm  #52


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

Not just her clothes. The house/flat and the wedding and the car do not seem cheap either. 


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August 4, 2015 8:06 pm  #53


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

SusiGo wrote:

Not just her clothes. The house/flat and the wedding and the car do not seem cheap either. 

Well, I guess they pay her well for every little murder she commits... can afford all that stuff then. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/stoned.png

 


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August 4, 2015 8:30 pm  #54


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

to be fair, everyone’s clothes seem too expensive for their profession (notable exceptions: Mycroft and Billy)


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August 4, 2015 8:32 pm  #55


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

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True. But it is not just the clothes. 


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August 4, 2015 9:59 pm  #56


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

Well, John is working as a doctor again, and they are both making money, so that should pay for the wedding. My sister actually had her wedding bascially for free because all the guests were very gratious with their money gifts (in fact, if not for the wedding dress, she would have gotten more than she paid).

 

August 5, 2015 6:41 am  #57


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

I don't think that would have worked for Mary.  Which of her guests would have contributed a substantial amount of money?   There was no family there, for a start.

Mary wouldn't be earning much as a part-time nurse, and rents are expensive in London.   John would be earning more as a GP and might have had some money put aside from work with Sherlock and money from the army, but it still seems like a very expensive wedding for them to choose (espeicailly as neither of them have close family to be there). 

I agree about everybody's clothes looking too expensive!  But I wonder if that's just a styling decision rather than meant to show they have a hidden income. 

 

August 5, 2015 8:00 am  #58


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

Well, even when John looked all ragged in the first season (and meant to look impoorished), the clothes he wore actually were very expensive. So I guess they are supposed to look middle class now?

 

August 5, 2015 11:43 am  #59


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

I think that is one of the common problems in television, people always have crazy money management skills and can afford stuff that people in real life with the same jobs can only dream about (see Sex and the City for an extreme version of this). But, to come back to topic, how will their financial situation impact how S4 will play out?


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August 22, 2015 5:49 pm  #60


Re: If we assume that Mary lives, how do you think S4 would play out?

I'm kind of hoping that Sherlock will be suffering from some after-effects of the gunshot wound and that this will come through occasionally; he'll grimace and shift in obvious discomfort when he's supposed to be working. And I'm hoping John will be watching all this, remembering the long-lasting pain that came with his own gunshot wound and will, gradually, fall out of love with Mary when he fully realises the ripples of her actions. 

(I know, I'm terrible).

I'd also like to see Sherlock and John get back to a happy place; hoping that Series 4 will be the calm after the storm. 

 

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