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March 12, 2014 9:14 pm  #1


Will the kid die too?

It's canon that Mary dies and most people are expecting it to happen at some point in Series 4. They could always go a different route and have her in some witness protection programme where John could never see her again; or in prison for the rest of her life, but whatever happens, we know they are going to get her out of the picture.

What then, do you think will happen to Baby Watson? It would be quite shocking to kill a child after its been born, even for Moftiss. Killing it whilst its still in the womb is generally more acceptable. So, maybe a miscarriage?

Or do you think the baby will survive? If so, how can it be a part of Sherlock and John's life? Sherlock, John & The Baby? Sounds like a trashy sitcom about a gay couple bringing up a kid.


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March 13, 2014 8:44 am  #2


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Killing off the child after it is born seems just plain cruel to me, and I too somehow can't imagine Gatiss and Moffat doing such a thing.
Letting the child die together with Mary why she is still pregnant is also a horrible option, but a little easier to swallow than the first one.
The question also is where series 4 will continue in the story line, right where they left off would be the only option then. It also is the only option that makes sense considering the imminent "Moriarty" threat...
So Mary will be still pregnant when we see her again, but then she would have to die right in the first episode or even at the beginning of it.
I really don't know anymore. I certainly don't want John and Sherlock to raise a child together in Baker Street because, yes, it seems a bit like a cheap sitcom, or a very bad and silly movie from the sixties. *ughh*

Maybe Mary dies towards the end of season 4 and the child goes off to live with Mary's parents or something (just because Mary has changed her identity doesn't mean she doesn't have a family that she left behind somewhere in the States). Would be the most humane solution. The child survives, lives on, grows up with its grandparents and John could visit time and again and still be a father.
John and Sherlock would then be free to solve their cases together and take up their "old" life, if possible (which to me seems less and less likely considering the way things have developed in series 3, it would include a really great turn-around character development wise, as much as I would love to see them back together again, I don't know if it would seem a credible development to me as things stand now.)

I really don't know how Mofftiss are going to play this. After series three and the alterations they brought to the storyline in comparison to the original Holmes Canon (e.g. introducing the Holmes parents) I am not sure anymore about what to expect.


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March 13, 2014 9:43 am  #3


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Maybe she will die in labour, together with the child. It doesn't happen very often in the UK becouse of standards of obstetric care but sadly it does happen. I hope that both Mary and the baby are going to be OK. I think I could be OK with her moving away with the child but I don't want to see them killed one way or another.

 

March 13, 2014 9:47 am  #4


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I don't see how the child could  just go and be brought up by Mary's original parents (over in America for example). John is still the father's child and perfectly capable to bring her/him up on his own and I think that, in reality, that's the option he would go for. Although obviously that doesn't work for the storyline.


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March 13, 2014 9:50 am  #5


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Always provided that John is indeed the father of the child. 
 


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March 13, 2014 10:13 am  #6


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Oh please...we have no indication at all that Mary cheated on John, and even if she did...after all those month believing it to be his, do you really think he would just abandon it?

 

March 13, 2014 10:14 am  #7


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Yes I know, given John's character the most likely option for him would be to look after the child himself, and in real life I would applaud his decision, I just don't know how to combine this with what I hope the show will be like next season (more cases and action than in series three, probably with a darker twist).

I don't know, but I really don't think that John isn't the father. This is something I've never doubted.

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March 13, 2014 10:19 am  #8


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I do not think John would abandon the child. But as so many people apparently want to get rid of the child at any price because it destroys the show (I was honestly shocked at many reactions, also here on the board) I just threw in the idea. 
For me having a child in a show does not mean cheap comedy. A child does not destroy a show. But I know that there are other opinions. 


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March 13, 2014 10:28 am  #9


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I get what you mean Susi, but as I said before I just can't bring this in line with the kind of show Sherlock is. And let's face it, we are not talking about a real child in real life, but a fictional one. Nobody would want any of this to happen in real life. I mean already starting with wanting for the mother to die...

I could possibly see Mrs. Hudson looking after the kid, but she is an elderly woman and it would be quite a demanding task for her.
I want to 'get rid off' the child because the Sherlock world seems a place too dangerous for a child to grow up in. Imagine what a pressure point that would be in the future!! And I also remember when there was a baby in the X-files, it certainly did the show no good at all.
So the option would be for Sherlock to change and be less and less the kind of show was in series one and two case-wise, which I would deeply regret. I loved series 3, but I kind of think, 'oh well, so we had this comedy break, now it's time to get back to business and handle some real cases', more the way it was in HLV.


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March 13, 2014 11:01 am  #10


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We'll see...I actually like it that the episodes of the last season were more interwoven with each other. And I like that the writers treat the characters more like real humans who develop rather than as some sort of figures who are only pulled out of the drawer to solve cases. It makes them so much better.

I fear that the kid will die, but if it doesn't, I'll look forward to how the writers are dealing with the challenge. And I admit, I am currently primarily on the look out for fanfictions which deal with John and Mary getting the child while Sherlock tries to protect them - they are a lot of fun.

 

March 13, 2014 11:17 am  #11


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I have to think of a family dog right now and I don't like it.
I still can not imagine Sherlock (the show) with a baby. But it wouldn't be the first time they surprise me, so, I'll just wait and see..... 


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March 13, 2014 11:34 am  #12


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I think it would be possible to keep the baby alive without devoting to much of a screen time to the care giving activities. If Mary really wants the domestic bliss and nothing more what is wrong with her staying at home and looking after the baby? Meanwhile Sherlock and John can carry on solving cases.

 

March 13, 2014 11:48 am  #13


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British social care will have one look at John′s, Mary′s and Sherlock′s lifestyle and they will take the child away immediately to save it from their negative influence. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/tongue.png

 


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March 13, 2014 12:13 pm  #14


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nakahara wrote:

British social care will have one look at John′s, Mary′s and Sherlock′s lifestyle and they will take the child away immediately to save it from their negative influence. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/tongue.png

 

Lol I very much doubt it. In a typical tick box assesment carried out by a social worker with huge case load and no time they will come out as model parents. Particularly if they let Mary do the most of the talking. That wouldn't be a bad think as I don't have any doubts in their ability to parent adequatly.

Don't get me wrong, I have a lot admiration for my collegues from social services but I don't have much feith in the system.

 

 

March 13, 2014 12:34 pm  #15


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One thing for sure: If the child survives its birth, it will be on the safe side...at least concerning dying. The writers might get rid of it with another method, but I don't see them killing of a baby or toddler. That's simply too dark for this particular show. Hell, even a miscarriage would be borderline at this point...the bump is so big already, and we know that it will be a girl. It's too real already.

 

March 13, 2014 12:59 pm  #16


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Looking at the size of Mary's bump I think we maybe beyond miscarriage and into still birth teritory. On one hand it's semantics and on the other it realy isn't. I think if they took this route it would all most likely happen off screen and we would be told that Mary lost the baby. I really don't see them going into details (for good reasons).

 

March 13, 2014 1:09 pm  #17


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That would be very morbid for such a funny show. I hope they will find another way to cope with a child than killing it.


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March 13, 2014 1:12 pm  #18


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I love your idea, nakahara, it is both funny and intriguing 
They might get a health worker assigned in S4 for assistance with household and baby and stuff, 8 hrs a week   

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March 13, 2014 1:22 pm  #19


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They will find a babysitter. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/tongue.png

Later the babysitter will be revealed as the Satan incarnate, but that is a normal occurence in this show. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/tongue.png


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March 13, 2014 1:30 pm  #20


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Very good idea. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png


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