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May 2, 2016 9:42 pm  #441


Re: Mary's Death

RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

Question: what makes people so sure that Mary and the baby will die off the show at all? It's quite possible that they'll both stay on for the duration of the series.

I agree.  I have no idea of the private, inner circle machinations of the Sherlock creative team; I don't follow it, it doesn't interest me, I have my own problems, you know?  But IMO (my two cents only), I think Mary will remain alive and a part of the show as long as AA wants the role.  Having now hired Martin's wife/partner, TPTB won't be just showing her the door. Again, my opinion only.  And if they want to get rid of the baby and keep Mary on, I just can't fathom how they can do that without alienating half of their female audience.  We'll see.
 

 

May 2, 2016 11:08 pm  #442


Re: Mary's Death

Sherlock is very different from most American network dramas, TPTB are not trying to fill 20-24 hour long episodes ever year!  This is a decided advantage.  When you have that many hours to fill and less than 12 months between seasons it's easy to run out of ideas and run off in wild directions.

We joke about our long waits in this fandom and only getting 3 episodes at a time, but in the long run we should be thankful for this.  We are honestly getting quality over quantity.  The creators have a game plan.  they know where they want their story to go.  So many regular dramas will go on season after season, milking the stories for as long as possible.  I believe M & G have an end game.  Don't know if it will be 5 seasons total, or maybe 6 or 7.  But they know where they are going.  They also have a track record for making the most of a limited time frame.  They pack as much story into every 90 minutes as they can.  They don't waste time.

This is one of the main reasons I don't see Mary and the baby becoming a permanent part of the show.  TPTB don't have hours and hours of time that they are required to fill with something.  They don't need lots of wacky side characters and subplots.  They have also told us repeatedly that this is the Sherlock and John show.  These two men are the only characters required to make it to the end of the series.

And because I feel like I have to say it, this has nothing to do with johnlock.  All of my beliefs still work even if Sherlock and John are left at the end of everything as history's greatest friends.  So I"m sticking with this concept until proven unequivocally wrong.

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May 2, 2016 11:58 pm  #443


Re: Mary's Death

I'm having trouble believing that Mofftiss plans every detail out, when Mark Gatiss candidly admits that he wrote himself into a corner with the baby-plot-device.

 

May 2, 2016 11:59 pm  #444


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Having a game plan does not necessarily mean they've hammered out every detail.  But I do believe they have a working outline for the whole series with some flexibility built in.

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May 3, 2016 12:56 am  #445


Re: Mary's Death

RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

Question: what makes people so sure that Mary and the baby will die off the show at all? It's quite possible that they'll both stay on for the duration of the series.

Because that's what happened to Mary in canon, just as ACD Sherlock went through the hiatus in canon.  And while Moffat and Gatiss have not followed canon to the letter (for example, John and Mary meet long before Sherlock's hiatus in canon, not while he's supposedly dead), they have honored it so far.
 

 

May 3, 2016 2:18 am  #446


Re: Mary's Death

RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

I'm having trouble believing that Mofftiss plans every detail out, when Mark Gatiss candidly admits that he wrote himself into a corner with the baby-plot-device.

Right. I feel the same way, I definitely have not drunk the Kool-Aid where it comes to MG et al.  But I'm extremely hard on writers, especially TV and movie writers, so maybe there's no pleasing me, who knows.
 

 

May 3, 2016 4:05 am  #447


Re: Mary's Death

kgreen20 wrote:

RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

Question: what makes people so sure that Mary and the baby will die off the show at all? It's quite possible that they'll both stay on for the duration of the series.

Because that's what happened to Mary in canon, just as ACD Sherlock went through the hiatus in canon.  And while Moffat and Gatiss have not followed canon to the letter (for example, John and Mary meet long before Sherlock's hiatus in canon, not while he's supposedly dead), they have honored it so far.
 

 
They also contend that there's nothing in canon that says she actually dies.

 

May 3, 2016 5:43 am  #448


Re: Mary's Death

Yes I'm a firm believer in programme makers being allowed to present their vision on TV, we're just fortunate if we share that that vision!
On the point of do Mary and baby have to die, well no of course they don't have to.


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May 3, 2016 6:34 pm  #449


Re: Mary's Death

RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

kgreen20 wrote:

RavenMorganLeigh wrote:

Question: what makes people so sure that Mary and the baby will die off the show at all? It's quite possible that they'll both stay on for the duration of the series.

Because that's what happened to Mary in canon, just as ACD Sherlock went through the hiatus in canon.  And while Moffat and Gatiss have not followed canon to the letter (for example, John and Mary meet long before Sherlock's hiatus in canon, not while he's supposedly dead), they have honored it so far.
 

 
They also contend that there's nothing in canon that says she actually dies.

If you mean that none of the stories come right out and say that she died, you're right.  But whose death could ACD have been alluding to in "The Empty House," if not Mary's?  And why would John sell his practice and move back to Baker Street if Mary were still alive?  We know he didn't divorce her; they loved each other to the end.  So, yes, it is canon, even though her death was never directly stated.

 

 

May 3, 2016 6:35 pm  #450


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That's how I've always understood it.


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