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January 22, 2014 10:31 pm  #101


Re: Least favourable fan review of S3 I've read so far...

sj4iy wrote:

The problem isn't so much that people criticize...it's often that they criticize SO MUCH that it becomes pointless to debate it and then all of the threads turn into a constant stream of negativity.  You see it a lot in "LotR" and "Doctor Who" fandom...people just hate that something doesn't turn out like they think it will and grow resentful.

Yeah, that's what I meant. This is what I'm trying to avoid here, essentially.

Criticism and debate is fine, encouraged even...but there's a difference between constructive criticism and just outright resentment and hate and trampling over other people's opinions. I don't think we've quite got to that stage yet but I'm just throwing a warning out there....


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January 23, 2014 3:50 am  #102


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LoveIsAViciousMotivator wrote:

Everyone has their own interpretation of characters. I never disputed that Sherlock has an emotional side. He does. .... But Sherlock has acted more emotional in Series three than the other two series. He smiles and laughs more. 

Well, as the writers of this show said themselves: "Like Sherlock Holmes laughs all the time in the stories, he's always bursting out laughing, or roaring with laughter, or having a laugh. And Sherlock and Watson in the stories actually laugh together a lot. You never see it! He's always stern. He's not like that at all, he's quite impish."

So maybe we are simply moving CLOSER to the canon and not further away?

 

January 23, 2014 11:43 am  #103


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The Doctor wrote:

LoveIsAViciousMotivator wrote:

Everyone has their own interpretation of characters. I never disputed that Sherlock has an emotional side. He does. .... But Sherlock has acted more emotional in Series three than the other two series. He smiles and laughs more. 

Well, as the writers of this show said themselves: "Like Sherlock Holmes laughs all the time in the stories, he's always bursting out laughing, or roaring with laughter, or having a laugh. And Sherlock and Watson in the stories actually laugh together a lot. You never see it! He's always stern. He's not like that at all, he's quite impish."

So maybe we are simply moving CLOSER to the canon and not further away?

Great catch there; I think you've got it spot on.

There are always going to be differing views; I think that part of the problem is that there are a small number of people who feel that they are extra special snowflakes who are entitled to Sherlock exactly as they want it, and if they don't get it exactly as they want it then the heavens must fall.

This rather overlooks the fact that the many millions of people who watch Sherlock and really like it but don't post on the web vastly outnumber the ones who do post online somewhere; it also omits the fact that the media wants to stir up non-existent controversies because it saves journalists from having to actually do their jobs.

As a newcomer to this forum I have been struck by the near total absence of extra special snowflakes; people here simultaneously have lots of fun, defend their corner(s) and don't assume that anyone who disagrees with them is a dastardly villain. People even sometimes change their minds, which is pretty darn amazing!


 

 

January 23, 2014 12:46 pm  #104


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"As a newcomer to this forum I have been struck by the near total absence of extra special snowflakes; people here simultaneously have lots of fun, defend their corner(s) and don't assume that anyone who disagrees with them is a dastardly villain. People even sometimes change their minds, which is pretty darn amazing!

Well, I'm extra special but more of a nut than a snowflake.


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January 23, 2014 2:04 pm  #105


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The Doctor wrote:

LoveIsAViciousMotivator wrote:

Everyone has their own interpretation of characters. I never disputed that Sherlock has an emotional side. He does. .... But Sherlock has acted more emotional in Series three than the other two series. He smiles and laughs more. 

Well, as the writers of this show said themselves: "Like Sherlock Holmes laughs all the time in the stories, he's always bursting out laughing, or roaring with laughter, or having a laugh. And Sherlock and Watson in the stories actually laugh together a lot. You never see it! He's always stern. He's not like that at all, he's quite impish."

So maybe we are simply moving CLOSER to the canon and not further away?

I'm sorry to say that I haven't had a chance to read the canon stories, so I don't know them except by just vague details and quotes. The writers have expressed If I remember correctly that this Sherlock will act more like ACD canon. If ACD Sherlock did smile and laugh more, I understand.

Though, the change is still a bit jarring compared to S1 and S2 because of the two year gap. It's fun to watch, but still, it does come out of no way to me. 
 

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January 23, 2014 2:15 pm  #106


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Canon Sherlock is also far more polite and considerate than "our" Sherlock in S 1 and 2. Moffat and Gatiss stated that they begin with quite a young Sherlock who is going to develop towards a more Canon oriented character.
And I think that especially TSoT shows this transition very well if you look at the very rude beginning of the best man speech which leaves the guests appalled and then compare this to how he proceeds - humble, humorous and loving - even making them cry. 


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January 23, 2014 2:20 pm  #107


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January 23, 2014 3:21 pm  #108


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Canon Holmes seemed to me a lot softer and opener, with an ironic smile most of the times, quite willing to pull a prank every now and then. But I've only read them in the translation and I've noticed that some of the subtext went missing. 

I just love the way in which they 'socialise' Sherlock and the role that the bond between them plays in it. And his relationship with Mycroft as polar opposite, pulling him the other way. 

 

January 24, 2014 3:10 pm  #109


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Swanpride wrote:

I think Canon Holmes is polite from our modern point of view - but for someone living in Victorian London, his behavious is actually quite shocking. He tells the King of Bohemia straight in the face that he he is not on the same level as an opera singer of questionable reputation, laughts one of his clients straight in the face, nearly tells another one that his impending arrest is a great thing, shoots the wall out of boredom, complains about Watson's "little sketches", asks him to travel with him on a short notice, is chaotic and can be very blunt towards people who have cought his ire.

 
^This. Whenever I hear the argument that Canon Holmes was more polite I always bring up this one. That he is only so by modern standards. He's fairly rude as a young man, just take "A Study in Scarlet", he's obnoxious to Watson, rude, dismissive and arrogant to the police, and unfeeling to the pain of other's. That's why I love ASiP so much, it really captured the way Holmes behaved as a young man but updated it with a behaviour and language so that modern people wouold understand it.
He mellows out a bit as he grows older. One of the reasons I love all of S3 despite the probelms I find there, because they appear to be taking Sherlock along this path.

And yes, Canon Holmes had a lot of humour and the stories all contain a lot of laughs. I think the reason people find it odd in the Sherlock series is that we are not used to seeing it in the dramatised versions, the Brett series was probably the one that came closest but even that one if somewhat off.


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January 24, 2014 4:28 pm  #110


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Haven't seen the Russian version so I can't comment there.


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November 2, 2014 9:00 pm  #111


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I actually quite liked series 3 but she did raise valid points like some others have said


 
 

November 2, 2014 9:10 pm  #112


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My fave series and I can't wait for S4.


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November 6, 2014 3:15 am  #113


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Season Three is certainly an odd one out for me. I was disappointed when I first saw it not knowing what to make all of it (in some ways I still don’t). However, upon rewatching it I’ve come to liking it and appreciating what the creators were trying to do with it. Season One and Two were adventurous and epic while this Season Three it tried be more personal and “surreal”. In 1 and 2, it had a thrill and wow factor but in this third season it was done in a way to catch you off guard and shock you. This was certainly unexpected but maybe it was necessary. Since Sherlock’s world changed it then it would only make sense that the overall tone of the show changed as well.
 
I do find it to be the weakest season in the series so far but it doesn’t mean I can’t find plenty of things to like about it. This show always seems to have wonderful acting from the cast, sharp dialogue, and dead-on humor even in episodes where storylines aren’t the best. While I do have serious reservations about a lot of what has been done in this season (An ambigious explanation to the fall, Mary being both pregnant and an assassin, Moriarty’s possible return,etc), I do look forward to watching Season Three to see how things pan out from all of this.

 

November 6, 2014 6:45 am  #114


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Have you watched the commentaries?
I found they help.


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November 6, 2014 5:34 pm  #115


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Yeah I might do that

 

December 31, 2015 9:11 am  #116


Re: Least favourable fan review of S3 I've read so far...

I love to read unfavourable reviews. Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of the show, it's why I'm here. But there are things worth critisising and it really bugs me when nobody is willing to do so. Nothing is flawless. One has to analyse something very closely to find so many flaws, it shows great enthusiasm although the writer apparently has stopped watching altogether now.

The author highlighted seveal things that, although they're true, don't really bother me. There is a lot of fanservice, types of fanservice I didn't think of as fanservice. The family christmas dinner, sibling rivalry between Sherlock and Mycroft, kidlock, Sherlock playing with a dog. Just sort of there for emotional weight than for any genuine relevance. As a fanfiction writer I know how fun it is to write these things, but scenes like this would have no place in old-school-Sherlock (S1). 

I can forgive plotholes, because many episodes have them (It was a supernova my ass!). What really bugs me is the so called "character development". People throw around that phrase too lightly. There is development, and there is acting completely OOC. Sherlock has shown examples of both. In some instances it can boil down to opinion, but Anderson? That is not development, that is... I don't even know what that was. I fall for a lot of the cheaper jokes (I am sorry, but the I'm Not Gay gag doesn't really bug me as much as it should), but I can't say I liked that aspect much at all. Anderson didn't need to be a fan for me to like him as a character, I liked him fine as he was, I don't want everybody to be sucking up to Sherlock and elevate him to Gary Stu status! 

The bomb disposal scene was just weird. That really did have fanfiction all over. Put there for no good reason than to explore two character's interactions in a given situation. Utterly pointless. I honestly did not like it. But there were scenes I liked. TEH was pretty fifty fifty. HLV sort of compensated for the exagerrated humour in previous episodes but was sort of weak, trying too hard to make CAM repelling with usual tricks. ASoT was the best episode of S3 IMO. Blended humour, drama, suspense and action pretty well. 

But it's true, the show isn't exactly what it was in S1. Of course shows need to develop, but is it development, or selling your soul to the devil? But in any case it's still enjoyable enough and the best thing on TV out there. 

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December 31, 2015 9:14 am  #117


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I can only ever see it as unfortunate if other people don't appreciate your favourite show.
I will try and educate, if given the chance!
I will defend BBC Sherlock to the end.
For me, it is simply the best TV there is.


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