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January 21, 2014 9:25 pm  #41


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besleybean, if you can't link it, can you at least give the general direction to the website in question so that I can bing it myself?

 

January 21, 2014 9:28 pm  #42


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Oh yeah,. the link to the site works, just it wasn't there!

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/sherlock-will-continue-benedict-cumberbatch-672545

That's worked now.
There are 2 more parts so I'll edit as I get each one.
http://collider.com/sherlock-season-3-4-benedict-cumberbatch-interview/

Actually they are iterviews

http://www.hitfix.com/starr-raving/press-tour-benedict-cumberbatch-talks-fans-sherlock-kissing-moriarty

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January 21, 2014 9:40 pm  #43


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Thank you....ohhh....I look forward to this one.

 

January 21, 2014 9:58 pm  #44


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I couldn't find anything beyond them confirming that they didn't kill her off between the seasons, so I'm looking forward to the new thread!

 

January 22, 2014 1:41 am  #45


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Yes, but that alone is good news...

 

January 22, 2014 11:47 am  #46


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Sherlock Holmes wrote:

P.S. Great news. Can't wait for her tragic on screen death.

Evil, evil person.http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/tongue.png


Thanks Besley, that's really great.

 

January 28, 2014 10:49 am  #47


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I hope they don't kill her off now - that would be too much tragedy, imo.
I'd rather - if she's eventually written out - have it that John is keeping her close until the baby is born and  that he does know what was on the stick.
I thought Sherlock giving his full name at the end was significant too, just can't work out how.


"And in the end,
The Love you take
Is equal to the Love you make"
                                             The Beatles
 

January 28, 2014 2:20 pm  #48


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Tinks wrote:

I hope they don't kill her off now - that would be too much tragedy, imo.
I'd rather - if she's eventually written out - have it that John is keeping her close until the baby is born and  that he does know what was on the stick.
I thought Sherlock giving his full name at the end was significant too, just can't work out how.

Actually, I had been hoping that the landing gear on Sherlock's plane had been sabotaged so when it returned it crash landed on Mary, leaving everyone else miraculously unscathed. Sadly this is not to be, but I'm sure Moftiss have something up their sleeves 
 

 

January 28, 2014 4:37 pm  #49


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Poor baby.


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January 28, 2014 5:22 pm  #50


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I really don't think that AGRA will come up again - it would undermine the whole symbolic that everything which stood between John and Mary was destroyed the moment the memory stick burned. That doesn't mean, though, that Mary's skills might not come up at one point. Being a linguist might be helpful (though I bet Sherlock already speaks a lot of languages).

 

January 28, 2014 6:51 pm  #51


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If the memory stick is symbolic of Mary's past then I think it is bound to return.
Mary ( supposedly on the run, keeping a low profile) can no longer hide from her past with SH/JW becoming so famous.
Also it's important for Johns character development that he learns he can't keep hiding / refusing to face the truth. Pretty sure they will make him learn that/get slapped with Mary's past.

 

January 28, 2014 7:35 pm  #52


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lil wrote:

If the memory stick is symbolic of Mary's past then I think it is bound to return.
Mary ( supposedly on the run, keeping a low profile) can no longer hide from her past with SH/JW becoming so famous.
Also it's important for Johns character development that he learns he can't keep hiding / refusing to face the truth. Pretty sure they will make him learn that/get slapped with Mary's past.

Yes, that's an interesting way of thinking about it; the problems of her future are inevitably shaped by the problems of her past. John cannot hope to avoid that confrontation, however much he seeks to avoid it. I doubt that John would be prepared to cut Sherlock completely out of his life, particularly when there is undoubted danger to Sherlock, yet it is only by doing so that he can step out of the limelight which is what draws attention to Mary.

A fascinating dilemma which I am sure that Moftiss will explore   


 

 

January 28, 2014 9:04 pm  #53


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If Mary's past catches up to her, Sherlock's sacrifice will be mood.

 

January 28, 2014 9:47 pm  #54


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The more I think about this, the more disappointed I'll be if we really have seen the last of the stick, because although there were some great moments in HLV, underneath these moments was a plot which on scrutiny, doesn't add up.
Here's another problem I have with it (and I could be back with many more) - within minutes of meeting Sherlock, Mycroff knew everything about John.
Are we to believe he didn't dig into Mary's background once she became close to Sherlock?
Sherlock was off his game in season 3, but Mycroft wasn't.
And I've a big problem with John accepting what Mary did to Sherlock...it would just make more sense if he was keeping her around till his child is born, but his words to her were so heartfelt that he really does seem to have swept it all under the carpet,


"And in the end,
The Love you take
Is equal to the Love you make"
                                             The Beatles
 

January 28, 2014 9:55 pm  #55


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Swanpride wrote:

If Mary's past catches up to her, Sherlock's sacrifice will be mood.

That would only be the case if you assume that Sherlock shot CAM solely because of Mary; the evidence shows otherwise. It is very clear that Sherlock recognised CAMs desire to 'own' Mycroft via the chain:

Mary = John = Sherlock = Mycroft

Sherlock loves Mycroft, just as Mycroft loves Sherlock; Sherlock also knew that CAM had driven his clent's husband to suicide, and would carry on doing similar things for the rest of his life.

It is, I think, worth bearing in mind the fact that Sherlock was willing to destroy Irene Adler because she threatened Mycroft; as alway, the admirable transcripts provided by Ariane DeVere on her LiveJournal are extremely helpful. If you read the final confrontation between Mycroft, Sherlock and Irene it is crystal clear that the moment she threatens Mycroft is when Sherlock's brain goes into overdrive and he finally solves the password onto her phone.  He was totally indifferent to her plea that:

"I won't even last six months"

because she had threatened his brother, and his country. The fact that he was willing, some months later, to hop on a plane to Karachi to assist her in keeping her head on her shoulders does not alter that fact.  So, I really don't believe that Mary's past catching up with her would makes Sherlock's sacrifice moot; there are many different kinds of love...
 

 

January 28, 2014 10:07 pm  #56


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Tinks wrote:

The more I think about this, the more disappointed I'll be if we really have seen the last of the stick, because although there were some great moments in HLV, underneath these moments was a plot which on scrutiny, doesn't add up.
Here's another problem I have with it (and I could be back with many more) - within minutes of meeting Sherlock, Mycroff knew everything about John.
Are we to believe he didn't dig into Mary's background once she became close to Sherlock?
Sherlock was off his game in season 3, but Mycroft wasn't.
And I've a big problem with John accepting what Mary did to Sherlock...it would just make more sense if he was keeping her around till his child is born, but his words to her were so heartfelt that he really does seem to have swept it all under the carpet,

I think many of us have a big problem with John accepting what Mary did to Sherlock but I don't think the game is over; I'm pretty sure that Mycroft was playing a waiting game himself.  About the only sense I can make of John is 'it's the baby, stoopid'; I haven't a clue what Mofftiss are going to do with that but it will be fascinating to see how they extricate themselves 
 

 

January 29, 2014 12:12 pm  #57


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I think you might be overestimating Mycroft. He might be a genius who acted a bit suspiciously, but I don't see him realising Mary's significance to him. Heck, he had trouble enough recognising Sherlock's significance to him. I think he wants to believe that he is that cold fish that he portrays himself as, and succeeding quite a lot of the time. 

As for John, it probably helped that Sherlock forgave her and wanted him to do the same. 

 

January 29, 2014 12:56 pm  #58


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I don't think that Mycroft even knows about Mary. If he did, he would never need to ask why Sherlock hates Magnusson so much. Mary's new identity must be very well done, otherwise Mycroft would have made sure to get rid of her the moment she came close to John. With the information, he would also have been able to figure out that she was the one who shot Sherlock.
We always have the idea that Mycroft is omnipotent, but the truth is, that even he can't be everywhere, and if one of his people misses something, he would miss it too.

 

January 29, 2014 4:53 pm  #59


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Unless he did know about Mary and allowed her to be used as a way into CAM...


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January 29, 2014 6:15 pm  #60


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silverblaze wrote:

I think you might be overestimating Mycroft. He might be a genius who acted a bit suspiciously, but I don't see him realising Mary's significance to him. Heck, he had trouble enough recognising Sherlock's significance to him. I think he wants to believe that he is that cold fish that he portrays himself as, and succeeding quite a lot of the time. 

As for John, it probably helped that Sherlock forgave her and wanted him to do the same. 

Mycroft has always recognised Sherlock's significance to him; the very first time we meet him it is because he wants to know what sort of man his brother is associating with. CAM makes it crystal clear that he recognises it; he says so in explicit terms, and whilst CAM is clever, as is Mary, he does not have Mycroft's abilities. So if he can see the line which leads from Mary to Mycroft, then Mycroft undoubtedly does.

I really do not know what Mycroft's long game is, though I can think of any number of possibilities; I have no doubt that he knows who and what Mary is.

I haven't a clue what's going on in John's mind; he is either in denial so far that he wouldn't recognise an obvious fact if it came up and bit him or it really is 'it's the baby, stoopid'. Fascinating conundrum...
 

 

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