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January 21, 2014 8:44 pm  #101


Re: The dynamic between Sherlock, John & Mary - an attempt at explanation

CAM less so. 

 

January 21, 2014 8:51 pm  #102


Re: The dynamic between Sherlock, John & Mary - an attempt at explanation

silverblaze wrote:

CAM less so. 

Yes; I must confess that I quite liked Moriarty in an evil villainous bbbrrraaaahhhhaaaa sort of way but CAM really did turn my stomach. A tribute to the skills of the actor, no doubt, but it's skin crawling; I find myself fast forwarding through the horrible bits...
 

 

January 21, 2014 8:57 pm  #103


Re: The dynamic between Sherlock, John & Mary - an attempt at explanation

I do the same. He's a great villain but... yuck. 

 

January 21, 2014 9:01 pm  #104


Re: The dynamic between Sherlock, John & Mary - an attempt at explanation

Unfortunately, I keep finding myself saying 'yummy' and 'yum yum'.
Every time I do, I think of CAM!


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February 18, 2016 9:13 pm  #105


Re: The dynamic between Sherlock, John & Mary - an attempt at explanation

It was quite tricky to find the right thread to put this in.

http://ivyblossom.tumblr.com/post/139521477645/jupitereyed-clueinglock-clueinglock-ive

I never consciously noticed hearing Sherlock's voice saying "Mary" in the dramatic Baker Street scene, but I've watched it again to check, and sure enough it's there, just after John says "You should have got married" (meaning Sherlock and Mary). Wow, that really puts a spin on things. Was John really jealous that Sherlock said Mary's name when he woke up from surgery? It would have been something he wondered about, I guess. So when John says "Ohhh. Look at you two. You should have got married." This is the moment that Sherlock realises/remembers that John heard him say Mary's name, and that he has misunderstood the reason why.

Before I read this tumblr, I just thought John was being angrily sarcastic about the conversation so far, because Sherlock and Mary are as bad as each other (with their skill sets, and using Janine to get at CAM) and then because Sherlock smiles at Mary. But jealousy because he thinks there actually is something going on between Sherlock and Mary... Poor John

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February 18, 2016 9:38 pm  #106


Re: The dynamic between Sherlock, John & Mary - an attempt at explanation

I don't know ... I remember John trusted Sherlock when hardly anyone else did, in TRF.  I don't think he'd suspect him of having an affair with Mary.   Especially as it's so far from the kind of thing Sherlock would do.    Look at how suprised he is at Sherlock getting off with anyone at all (Janine - and within hours, he realises that it was all fake anyway - it really wasn't something that Sherlock would do), and it's a huge step on from that to imagine Sherlock getting off with John's wife, of all people. 

I think when John finds out that Mary shot Sherlock, it becomes obvious why he said her name when we was waking up afterwards. 

 

February 18, 2016 9:42 pm  #107


Re: The dynamic between Sherlock, John & Mary - an attempt at explanation

So why did the sound people feel the need to repeat the sound byte of Sherlock saying "Mary" just then?


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February 19, 2016 6:47 am  #108


Re: The dynamic between Sherlock, John & Mary - an attempt at explanation

For me there is no way John is really jealous of Sherlock or would ever imagine anything was going on between Sherlock and Mary.
He simply recognises that Sherlock and Mary are very alike, he loves them both: that's why one's his wife and the other his best friend.


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February 19, 2016 7:07 am  #109


Re: The dynamic between Sherlock, John & Mary - an attempt at explanation

But in that moment, he's very angry, upset and confused. It's possible he does feel irrationally jealous during this conversation. I don't think he really does believe that Sherlock and Mary would be having an affair, I'm mostly just curious as to why that "Mary" sound byte was played again during this scene.


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February 19, 2016 7:09 am  #110


Re: The dynamic between Sherlock, John & Mary - an attempt at explanation

I think he could be feeling got at by both of them.


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February 19, 2016 7:38 am  #111


Re: The dynamic between Sherlock, John & Mary - an attempt at explanation

I don't know. If they wanted to put an emphasis on this, why did they include that second "Mary" in 221B in a way that it's hardly audible? As a normal viewer - and even as a fan - there is no way you would ever hear this. That tumblr blogger even states that she had to fiddle with the audio track in order to make it more audible - and I have to admit that I'm still having problems to really hear the word "Mary". 


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February 19, 2016 7:44 am  #112


Re: The dynamic between Sherlock, John & Mary - an attempt at explanation

I just assumed it was because I'm getting hard of hearing
A subliminal thing maybe? Haven't they done something similar in another episode? Now I'm trying to think...

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February 19, 2016 2:28 pm  #113


Re: The dynamic between Sherlock, John & Mary - an attempt at explanation

Hm, that is a difficult one. That reminds me not of another episode of Sherlock but of the movie " Fight club".

Edward Norton turns out to have multiple personalities, one of them being portrayed by Brad Pitt. Before the latter is even introduced for the first time, there are ultra short sequences of him to be seen around Edward. But you really need to pause to catch and recognize him.

But I don't know what to make of this...


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February 20, 2016 7:23 pm  #114


Re: The dynamic between Sherlock, John & Mary - an attempt at explanation

I just posted over on the "post mortem" thread.  Stephen Moffat said that there was a theme that we'd missed, and the first thing that sprung to mind was this conversation over here!  I still find it hard to believe it's the case, and I'd hate it if they turned it into some sort of love triangle, but the idea (of Sherlock falling for Mary) did seem to fit (and also fits with your post, Ukaunz).   I'm not completely serious about this, but it was funny how it popped into my mind (probably because I'd been reading this thread recently!). 

 

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