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July 6, 2013 10:31 pm  #41


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Amusing theories about what will happen in the next series of Elementary. Definitely worth a giggle:

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-05-29/elementary-season-2---where-next-for-the-wacky-sherlock-holmes-update


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July 8, 2013 3:25 pm  #42


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July 8, 2013 6:01 pm  #43


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Oh Lord! That means I WILL have to watch it! 


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July 9, 2013 10:35 am  #44


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I wrote my own take on the issue...if someone is interested, you can read it here:
http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/sherlock-holmes/articles/215467/title/study-pink-vs-elementary-pilot

 

October 18, 2013 6:08 am  #45


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Admittedly,  the show is mostly lame.    We are well underway with the second season,  and yeah, the first episode featured London,  an odd Mycroft (Rhys Ifans),  and a bizarre Lestrade (Sean Pertwee),
but that's all over now,   and it's back to the usual episodic detective NY weekly story.   yawn.


Just got to say though,  Jonny Lee Miller,  although not *our* Sherlock,  (or really Sherlock at all IMO),
is ABSOLUTELY brilliant,   or at least he was in tonight's episode.   just saying...   sigh.
 

 

October 18, 2013 2:15 pm  #46


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It's not like he has to be Sherlock...after all, Watson is solving the cases for him.....

 

October 18, 2013 5:35 pm  #47


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CarlPowers wrote:

Admittedly,  the show is mostly lame.    We are well underway with the second season,  and yeah, the first episode featured London,  an odd Mycroft (Rhys Ifans),  and a bizarre Lestrade (Sean Pertwee),
but that's all over now,   and it's back to the usual episodic detective NY weekly story.   yawn.


Just got to say though,  Jonny Lee Miller,  although not *our* Sherlock,  (or really Sherlock at all IMO),
is ABSOLUTELY brilliant,   or at least he was in tonight's episode.   just saying...   sigh.
 

 
Yes... thank you!   I think with the picking at the show at times, his great acting gets forgotten.  He really impressed me in last night's.  I was wondering if conversation was going to spur up again when the show started, but I know interest was quite varied here.  Heck, it's not a bad show, come on, just not as brilliant writing and struggles with being a same-old typical procedural/being 'Sherlock Holmes'.  But not debating that again, just wanted to say agreed with your comment and have kept watching it myself, mostly for curiosity of where it goes, and another detective show to watch.

Yeah... that premiere trip to London and his 'roots'/old friends was a little bizarre, huh?  Intriguingly amusing... and bizarre.    Did you like Mycroft?
And I think it's great they're letting Watson grow in ability, honestly.  But still need some of that Sherlock genius... 


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October 18, 2013 8:30 pm  #48


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Russell wrote:

CarlPowers wrote:

Admittedly,  the show is mostly lame.    We are well underway with the second season,  and yeah, the first episode featured London,  an odd Mycroft (Rhys Ifans),  and a bizarre Lestrade (Sean Pertwee),
but that's all over now,   and it's back to the usual episodic detective NY weekly story.   yawn.


Just got to say though,  Jonny Lee Miller,  although not *our* Sherlock,  (or really Sherlock at all IMO),
is ABSOLUTELY brilliant,   or at least he was in tonight's episode.   just saying...   sigh.
 

 
Yes... thank you! I think with the picking at the show at times, his great acting gets forgotten. He really impressed me in last night's. I was wondering if conversation was going to spur up again when the show started, but I know interest was quite varied here. Heck, it's not a bad show, come on, just not as brilliant writing and struggles with being a same-old typical procedural/being 'Sherlock Holmes'. But not debating that again, just wanted to say agreed with your comment and have kept watching it myself, mostly for curiosity of where it goes, and another detective show to watch.

Yeah... that premiere trip to London and his 'roots'/old friends was a little bizarre, huh? Intriguingly amusing... and bizarre. Did you like Mycroft?

I did actually.   I like Rhys Ifans.   But, was also glad to see him go away.     Really didn't like
what they did with Lestrade.     Hope we don't see him again.   Prefer their Gregson/NY character.
enjoyed the twist on 221B.

And I think it's great they're letting Watson grow in ability, honestly. But still need some of that Sherlock genius...

you're right there!    It bugs me the writers  continue to (run out of ideas and)  bring back
women from his past.    not necessarily romantic interests,  but those who supposedly
shaped his character.    Maybe they do that so that Lucy Liu's character can be shown
to 'pick up' on his subtleties.  (Of course,  any camera shot of her is usually the same stone face,
so you have to just imagine she's actually acting...)    Most interesting to me is to watch what
Jonny Lee Miller can do with very limited material.   The ending of last night's episode near the bridge
was nuanced, poignant, and well done,   mostly with tone and body language,  since
we couldn't see his eyes through those sunglasses... 

 

October 19, 2013 10:22 pm  #49


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CarlPowers wrote:

The ending of last night's episode near the bridge was nuanced, poignant, and well done,   mostly with tone and body language,  since we couldn't see his eyes through those sunglasses... 

 
Yes to nearly all of the above, but especially this, yes.  At the bridge, and his scene afterwards, may have tightened my heart a little bit....     


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February 1, 2014 1:24 am  #50


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"It’s Elementary, Sherlock: How the CBS procedural surpassed the BBC drama"

http://www.avclub.com/article/its-elementary-sherlock-how-the-cbs-procedural-sur-200870


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February 1, 2014 7:57 am  #51


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Oh, pathetic! I think one of the sarcastic comments below the article sums it up nicely:

In this case, the American episodic procedural (a format done to death and yet still haunting us) is fresher, cleverer, and more insightful about an English archetype than the visually stunning, multi-layered, self-aware, insanely well-acted six hours every year or two British series that directly references and transforms the original Holmes stories.

I do watch Elementary occasionally, when I have a moment of free time but not enough to watch a whole feature film. It is not "bad", but then I can stop watching it for a month or two without any curiostiy as to what happened next. It is kind of popcorn whodounit for me and I don't really care for characters.

 

February 1, 2014 8:38 am  #52


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As I said elsewhere: The article can be summoned up with "Elementary has more episodes and therefore more room for character development" - which is unbelievable funny if you have seen the third season already. It is all about character development, way more than Elementary manages in a whole season.

 

February 5, 2014 2:14 am  #53


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Since Elementary has more Episodes, there should be more character development, yet it's all done with back story conversations to explain why characters act a certain way.  Yet the characters still show little to no growth in their actions and interactions.  Character development on BBC is done through actions.  It's like a puzzle or connect the dots for the audience.  We know how much JLM's Sherlock cares for Joan because he says so.  We know how much BC's Sherlock and John care for each other because each has *shown* a willingness to die for the other.  In RF we know how much Sherlock values John's opinion because he actually starts to become slightly unhinged when he thinks John may be falling for Moriarty's game.  We know how much John cares for Sherlock because he punches out a police office who insults Sherlock.  We know how much Lestrade respects Sherlock because he warns John that the police plan to arrest Sherlock and he defends him to the people who think he may have kidnapped the children.
We know that Sherlock values John's contributions to their teamwork because he gives a prideful smile when John does something clever or brave.  He couldn't contain his glee when John pulled rank at Baskerville, for example. And he gave a little amused grin when John got arrested for punching out the cop.
We know that Elementary's Sherlock appreciat's Joan's contributions because they constantly have to interrupt the flow of the narrative to say " oh look, Joan's really good at this stuff too.  She's equal to me!"
Oh and there is no Molly Hooper in Elementary.  What I mean by that is that every major character in Elementary was an intentional major character.  Molly Hooper is who I call the "Agent Coulson" of the BBC show.  She was only supposed to make brief appearance in one episode, but she came off so relatable and wonderfully three dimensional they she became the most important person to Sherlock in his hour of greatest need.  That's more character development than anyone on Elementary has shown in over 30 Elementary episodes.
And in So3, we actually got to see Lestrade solve a case without Sherlock.  I haven't seen every episode of Elementary.  I've missed most of Season 2 out of boredom from trying to "give it a chance" but I haven't seen Gregson or Bell solve a case without Sherlock and Joan.

And I have to point out a certain sexism in criticism, not just where BBC/Elementary comparisons are concerned, but women in fiction in general.  Many internet posters criticize Irene Adler being a dominatrix as sexist.  Irene was a strong clever woman, who knowingly misbehaved and was able to manipulate people because she knew what they liked.  She needed to know people would be on her side.  Moral? nope. But weak? certainly not! Some of those critics who rip on the BBC's portrayal of Irene Adler, praise Elementary's Sherlock having sex (mostly meaningless, often he's manipulated by his sexual partners, not to mention the fact that he's a 40 year old man who whines about his daddy, yet lives off Daddy's money and uses that money to pay for prostitutes) as something edgy.  Spoiled rich guys who live off Daddy's money have been having sex with prostitutes since ancient times.  Look at Henry V and VIII.  Why is a man having sex edgy, but a woman having sex unfeminist?
I could go on as I tend to when counter pointing people who make superficial areguments claiming Elementary is superior to Sherlock, when it has simply done the gimmick of slapping the Holmes brand name on a generic crime drama, and pretended it's the underdog when it has corporate millions behind it and got the friggin's Superbowl spot last year, while BBC relies on word of mouth here in the states.


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May 16, 2014 6:11 am  #54


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Season 2 just ended this evening.    What's a bit overwhelming is that there have now been
48 episodes!      It's a whole different animal from BBC Sherlock,   and it's
set up to take a very different turn next year with Season 3.    Still not realy
Sherlock Holmes,  but at this point,   almost not worth comparing anymore.   It's an episodic
crime drama with a life of its own.     Still not a Lucy Liu fan,  still enjoy watching
Jonny Lee Miller and Aidan Quinn  (and Rhys Ifans!),   but since the quality of
writing continues to be uneven I can't see myself continuing with this story except
only very casually,  when it happens to be on.
 

 

May 16, 2014 11:54 am  #55


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I like Jonny Lee Miller and Lucy Liu in this, they kinda grow on you and are quite sympathetic. It was a bit more interesting than I expected and they even added some references to ACD´s canon from time to time (for example, they had a plot from "The Mystery of Thor Bridge" at the beginning of one episode).

But it still pales in comparison with Sherlock. It´s sad that with all 48 episodes they never really developed characters like Mrs. Hudson, Mycroft or Lestrade who are such inevitable parts of the canon. And the episodes tend to became boring when you are rewatching them because they don´t present anything more than simple straighforward storyline (that´s why viewing Sherlock is such a pleasure - you discover new things each time you rewatch it). 

And is it just me or does this series really have some traces of corporate propaganda in it? I was astonished when they had villans in the form of "piracy party" shooting around and stealing something at the beginning of some episode and a villain who was practically Julian Assange in disguise in the other episode. A bit more subtlety with messages like these would be better, IMHO.


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June 9, 2014 10:43 am  #56


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Well, it's CBS....if you ever watched Person of Interest the show bascially says that it is okay to have constant survaillance on people as long as said survaillance is in the hand of the "right people" (or the right kind of maching), and everyone who ever rages against the concept ends up being some sort of terrorist.
It's one of the reason I often have a hard time with CBS shows, they are so careful not to be too critical that they sometimes come of as hidden propaganda.

 

June 9, 2014 2:46 pm  #57


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WARNING SPOILERS
 
I think one of the central problems that I have with the series is that it modernizes the Sherlock Holmes concept far too much. Especially, in the way that it did some of the characters in canon.
 
I was really let down by the fact that they made Moriarty and Irene Adler one and the same. I was really hoping that they would do their own separate interpretations of the characters like “Sherlock” did but by merging them as one female character it struck me as a cop-out. Add the fact that they made Irene/ Moriarty as his love interest. This also doesn’t sit well with me as I’ve always believed and supported the idea that Sherlock Holmes is an asexual figure whose only love is his work.
 
However, more disappointing was the way they did Mycroft.  In both the original stories and in “Sherlock”, Mycroft is a rather “cool” person but in this show he is bland. He isn’t smarter or as smart as Sherlock as he is just a normal person. There is also no friendly rivalry between them as Sherlock simply loathes him. Not to mention that they have him as a mere MI-6 informant instead of someone who sits at the top of the intelligence world to the point that he practically is the British government.
 
I think the difference between “Elementary’ and “Sherlock” is that the latter is a bold,modern reinvention of the Sherlock Holmes stories and canon while the former is simply a CBS crime procedural starring Sherlock Holmes. We also must remember that the original Sherlock Holmes stories were neither procedurals nor “whodoneits” (if you want that read Agatha Christie’s work) but rather adventures in deduction or sleuthing and that is what made them unique. I think Moffat and Gatiss realize this, which is why “Sherlock” has been able to capture the general spirit and style of Conan Doyle’s stories so well.

 

November 30, 2016 1:46 am  #58


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Elementary: A Study in Not Getting Sued
http://sherlockpeoria.blogspot.com.au/2016/11/an-elementary-rerun-study-in-not.html

An interesting scene-by-scene comparison between the first episode of Elementary and ACD's A Study in Scarlet, and how Elementary is almost the anti-canon.

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November 30, 2016 8:31 am  #59


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LOL! Nice article!

Although Elementary got better in later seasons, IMHO. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png


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November 30, 2016 8:42 am  #60


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Yeah, I don't mind it when I've nothing else to watch


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