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January 10, 2013 8:08 am  #41


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

I think the most annoyingly useless part of this show is his fascination with watching & memorising all the different TV shows at the same time.
So what they are saying is 'this is where Holmes learns many things at the same time, because he can'. I half expect to see a show on one of the TVs about the solar system because honestly, what the hell is it teaching him????
They are 'glorifying' the TV as some form of educational tool for someone as apparently brilliant as Holmes?

I find that VERY hard to swallow and yet, being made America surely suits this premise.


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Mycroft’s popularity doesn’t surprise me at all. He is, after all, incredibly beautiful, clever and well-dressed. And beautiful. Did I mention that?
--Mark Gatiss

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I’m not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Robert McCloskey
 

January 10, 2013 4:25 pm  #42


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

kazza474 wrote:

They are 'glorifying' the TV as some form of educational tool for someone as apparently brilliant as Holmes?

I find that VERY hard to swallow and yet, being made America surely suits this premise.

I don't watch the show and find this premise patently ridiculous and severely beneath Sherlock's character and brilliance.  I can only apologize on behalf of my country and the morons who run the network TV industry. 


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January 10, 2013 5:46 pm  #43


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

kazza474 wrote:

I think the most annoyingly useless part of this show is his fascination with watching & memorising all the different TV shows at the same time.
So what they are saying is 'this is where Holmes learns many things at the same time, because he can'. I half expect to see a show on one of the TVs about the solar system because honestly, what the hell is it teaching him????
They are 'glorifying' the TV as some form of educational tool for someone as apparently brilliant as Holmes?

I find that VERY hard to swallow and yet, being made America surely suits this premise.

Ha...  because that's how the majority of the populace learn everything??    
I kid... I kid...  but yes, some annoyance / minor truth to that.  Now, if every channel were on Nova, PBS, Discovery... etc...  I don't know... it /was/ pretty stupid.  A clever trick for him to recite memorized lines to Watson.  And sure, minorly useful for focus of multi-directional concentration, but you'd think Holmes would have other ways of doing that.  And if it's for keeping up on news, the way canon Holmes read every single newspaper available, well.... no... doesn't explain the useless junk.  (I can just hear our other Holmes in my head saying 'none of it matters!!!)   


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January 10, 2013 5:57 pm  #44


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

(. . . . .and, yet.... I'm still planning on watching the new ep tonight.....        please, please no thrown tomatoes at!  ;p   Snrk....  it's just morbid curiosity watching an entertaining wreck that's admittedly not top-notch, but not bad enough to turn off, either....    Y'know?   I wanna know what the heck they're gonna do with this odd thug-looking Moriarty who apparently is the reason for losing Irene and evilly followed him and provides a too-conveniently handy little reason for Watson to stay....  ;PPP   I'm taking one for the team, to let all of you know afterwards!  ;)  ;PP)


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We solve crimes, I blog about it, and he forgets his pants.  I wouldn't hold out too much hope!

Just this morning you were all tiny and small and made of clay!

I'm working my way up the greasy pole.  It's… very greasy.  And…  pole-shaped.
 

January 10, 2013 8:09 pm  #45


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

I will watch it in ten minutes,too.
But I'm not half as exited as I was yesterday before the new episode of CabinPressure 


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January 10, 2013 8:30 pm  #46


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

Yes, I'm watching it right now on Sat 1.
What I think:
Boring. Oh please, this Holmes acts like a Wannabe, not like an high functioning sociopath. Where are the brilliant deductions? The name 'Sherlock Holmes' for the protagonist is clearly not justified.
Benedict, where are you?


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"Sherlock Holmes is a great man, and I think one day—if we’re very very lucky—he might even be a good one."

"Would you like to-"
"-have dinner?"
"-solve crimes?"
"Oh"



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January 11, 2013 4:48 am  #47


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

Well. . . . Huh. . . .  Whatever we may have been saying about this series, and aforementioned problems aside of weaknesses I agreed with, I gotta say, this particular one was a pretty interesting episode.  They kept it moving, they threw in some twists, they kept Watson wanting to stay purely for Holmes and her own interest, not to mention three different canon elements at once with a helpful street Irregular, Moran, and Moriarty (and I like how they twisted those two, and kept the latter in the 'shadows' of his 'web', and the taut verbal exchanges....)
So... yeah.... couldn't help myself with slightly bemused intrigue and immediately wondering if any of you fine folk had also watched. 


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We solve crimes, I blog about it, and he forgets his pants.  I wouldn't hold out too much hope!

Just this morning you were all tiny and small and made of clay!

I'm working my way up the greasy pole.  It's… very greasy.  And…  pole-shaped.
 

January 11, 2013 5:06 pm  #48


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

harleyq wrote:

kazza474 wrote:

They are 'glorifying' the TV as some form of educational tool for someone as apparently brilliant as Holmes?

I find that VERY hard to swallow and yet, being made America surely suits this premise.

I don't watch the show and find this premise patently ridiculous and severely beneath Sherlock's character and brilliance. I can only apologize on behalf of my country and the morons who run the network TV industry.

I second this comment.


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January 11, 2013 9:07 pm  #49


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

Hi!
I just registered after watching the first episode of Sherlock on iTunes. I watched the first episode of Elementary yesterday (like many in Germany I guess).

When I first heard about a Sherlock Holmes tv series set in modern times I hadn't the slightest interest in it, simply because the historical setting of the Sherlock Holmes stories is what is a big draw to me, so I thought 'Interesting' but not something I'd really want to watch.

So there I was watching Elementary yesterday, (it was on TV anyway so why not watch?) after it was over I thought that it wasn't half bad, I like shows like Monk, Castle, Mentalist etc. and as others have said the show is quite similar.

So then I wondered how the UK version would compare to the US one (I had heard a lot about the two shows being compared to each other).

I went to iTunes and bought the first season (7.99€, for three almost feature film length episodes.. what can I say?)

Just finished watching and I have to say its awesome.. I am blown away, I loved it! (though the actual means of murder of the perpetrator seemed a bit poorly thought out to me). Minutes after watching the first episode I bought the second season and am downloading it now. (And then I read that the third one won't come out before 2014... so sad).

Elementary might be a good cop show but Sherlock is something special, I can't wait to see all the other episodes!

 

January 11, 2013 9:10 pm  #50


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

Hey, welcome!
Here will everyone agree with you - BBC Sherlock is far better!


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"Falling is just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination."

"Sherlock Holmes is a great man, and I think one day—if we’re very very lucky—he might even be a good one."

"Would you like to-"
"-have dinner?"
"-solve crimes?"
"Oh"



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January 12, 2013 11:17 am  #51


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

Russell wrote:

So... yeah.... couldn't help myself with slightly bemused intrigue and immediately wondering if any of you fine folk had also watched.

Yep, just 'caught up' with the series now.
As a detective series, yes it's ok.
I have more comparisons to the canon & BBC ones but will leave it for a moment but suffice to say I don't count it as a Sherlock Holmes adaptation.

That said, onto the recent episode.
MMMMMMM
My initial reaction is 'I hope they don't try turning this into a Red John thing'. If you don't get my meaning, Google Red John, lol.
But I can see they may be tempted to drag it out as such; but then isn't that where Red John probably came from? An adaptation of the Moriarty character?
To do that would make them lose all credibility as a creative writing team; grabbing a bit from here & a bit from there. I daresay if they DO, it will spell the ending of the show.

But again, it's got a charm in its own right; I just wish they didn't try so hard to be a Holmes adaptation.

I have a screenshot that made me laugh; probably only canon fans will 'get it' though.
I'll post in a minute.


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Sherlock Holmes 28 March 13:08

Mycroft’s popularity doesn’t surprise me at all. He is, after all, incredibly beautiful, clever and well-dressed. And beautiful. Did I mention that?
--Mark Gatiss

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I’m not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Robert McCloskey
 

January 12, 2013 11:24 am  #52


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

Looking up "red John" on Google I just stumbled over this... Hm....

The smiley
http://de.thementalist.wikia.com/wiki/Red_John


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January 12, 2013 11:36 am  #53


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

At a quick glance is this something canon fans or Jeremy Brett fans smirk at ????




http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u204/bigshebanger/elementary_zpsf189189e.png


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Sherlock Holmes 28 March 13:08

Mycroft’s popularity doesn’t surprise me at all. He is, after all, incredibly beautiful, clever and well-dressed. And beautiful. Did I mention that?
--Mark Gatiss

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I’m not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Robert McCloskey
 

January 12, 2013 11:37 am  #54


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

Mattlocked wrote:

Looking up "red John" on Google I just stumbled over this... Hm....

The smiley
http://de.thementalist.wikia.com/wiki/Red_John

Yes, they did base the show on a Holmes-like character.
There's a few funny 'nods' to be seen.


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Also, please note that sentences can also end in full stops. The exclamation mark can be overused.
Sherlock Holmes 28 March 13:08

Mycroft’s popularity doesn’t surprise me at all. He is, after all, incredibly beautiful, clever and well-dressed. And beautiful. Did I mention that?
--Mark Gatiss

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I’m not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Robert McCloskey
 

January 12, 2013 1:27 pm  #55


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

With The Mentalist, it's half a Holmes adaptation, half a Psych ripp-off. Psych is better, btw. Different, but definitly better. But then, Psych is also somewhat Holmes based, though unlike other shows who did that, Psych doesn't really "advertise" it thorugh canon nods, they just took the "genius detective and medical sidekick" concept and run with it.
It's somewhat gratifying that even people who watched Elementary first agree that Sherlock is better. I just hope that they will soon come around to the third season - and that there will be a fourth one. Normally this would a no-brainer with such a sucessful show, but considering the crazy schedule of all involved, I'm a little bit fearful.

 

January 12, 2013 1:35 pm  #56


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

If there won't be a fourth (Heaven forbid!! *), then we just stay here in the forum, discussing scenes and texts of the third one over and over and over........................ and after some years we rename it into "All Sherlock Holmes related fan forum" or something like that. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.gif


*note: I consider myself as atheist, but still............


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January 12, 2013 1:41 pm  #57


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

Let's sum up: Elementary is unnecessary.


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"Falling is just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination."

"Sherlock Holmes is a great man, and I think one day—if we’re very very lucky—he might even be a good one."

"Would you like to-"
"-have dinner?"
"-solve crimes?"
"Oh"



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January 13, 2013 5:22 am  #58


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

Kazza - Exactly...  I really liked the Mentalist, as well....  unfortunately, about a season behind.  And all things aside, it was a pretty neat twist of elements with M.  Wondering what they'll do with that, too.

Mary - Well..... while part of me is inclined to agree (I mean, just look at all the other similar shows mentioned... although also granted, the majority of them are simply in the same genre/style, and not straight 'adaptations'), and liking the BBC one far far more and having been leery of Elementary since I first heard of, part of me is still compelled to play a tiny part devil's advocate here with the 'unnecessary' comment.  I've seen a few people say they came across the BBC version simply because of CBS's (either through seeing first and being curious, or all the mentions of them in tandem in reviews), and became fans of the BBC version, maybe never heard of before because they didn't watch other british shows/pbs or see articles.  Whoo!  Yay for Sherlock, yes?  Yeah, it's a pain tv shows/movies jump on the bandwagon more often instead of always being original, but 'original' doesn't happen all the time either, being as originality is pretty fickle, too.  Elementary isn't horrible, thank god.... I just hope that A. it continues to stay that way and at least not ruin the idea of Sherlock, partly so that B., hey, the canon and BBC get a boost as a result of people trying it as a result (and getting curious about the main actors and resultant movie parts), since they deserve it, and yay, more happy fans.

....Or, I could just be blabbering and you could argue there's such a thing as 'too many on the bandwagon'.  :-PPP  Just a few thoughts.  Feel free to counter.


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We solve crimes, I blog about it, and he forgets his pants.  I wouldn't hold out too much hope!

Just this morning you were all tiny and small and made of clay!

I'm working my way up the greasy pole.  It's… very greasy.  And…  pole-shaped.
 

January 13, 2013 8:30 am  #59


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

Russell wrote:

Kazza - Exactly...  I really liked the Mentalist, as well....  unfortunately, about a season behind.  And all things aside, it was a pretty neat twist of elements with M.  Wondering what they'll do with that, too.
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WARNING _ SPOILERS HERE SO DON'T READ IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW!!



Yes, well I found myself saying 'introducing Moran before Moriarty?' '
Moran helping capture Moriarty?
Irene's dead already?'
So I gather we won't see an Adler story with this guy, which is probably for the better really. This guy's a bit too like Monk to have any love interest, lol.

But honestly, the less they use canon references the better because without the 'name' of Holmes they have a fairly good show as is.

In fact (and people are going to scream at this one) while watching the last few shows, it came to me that neither Elementary nor BBC's Sherlock have that one charming ingredient that the canon stories have.
Simplicity and ordinariness.
The canon stories give you a scenario: eg (simplified version) someone is killed by what they called a speckled band.
Investigate, investigate - solution: speckled band was a snake. And by looking at the original scenario everything fell into place. No twists, no turns, no sudden revelations halfway through to keep the audience on their toes.
The ordinary things coming together in such a way as they make an extrordinary tale of simplicity.

So frankly my decision is now to wipe away the alternatives for a while and go back to the originals and enjoy some simplicity, lol.


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Also, please note that sentences can also end in full stops. The exclamation mark can be overused.
Sherlock Holmes 28 March 13:08

Mycroft’s popularity doesn’t surprise me at all. He is, after all, incredibly beautiful, clever and well-dressed. And beautiful. Did I mention that?
--Mark Gatiss

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I’m not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Robert McCloskey
 

January 13, 2013 9:59 am  #60


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

Sherlock has those too, just not in the "big" cases, but in the small ones...like the first three in "The Great Game", or the hiker and the backfire. But natrually, the "big case" has to stretch out longer...has to, they have to fill one and a half hour after all. The original pilot was more straightforward.

 

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