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October 8, 2012 11:21 am  #21


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

As I said, I wasn't entirely serious. I appreciate the Sherlock canon exactly for those stories, which are really about Sherlock drawing conclusions everyone else overlooks. That's the most important part for me that the character is able to see things which nobody else would notice. A show based on Sherlock can err in both directions. For example "Sherlock" erred with TBB, by letting Sherlock make a leap (or two) which was way too much based on chance, and doesn't leave me in awe of him at all. I mean how likely is it that the inhabitant of a random abandonnend apartment is involved in a case?
The pilot of Elementary on the other hand erred in the other direction, by letting Sherlock do leaps which were either more than obvious, or not impressive at all because the audience never got to see what lead him to this conclusion.
Not that the canon stories never had things like that...in fact, quite a few a fairly problematic for one reason or another (I think the worst is the one with the ape human). But this is the basic concept for it. I doubt though that this concept really fits into what the american networks consider a good show. I think Columbo was the last one who really operated this way, with no action scenes thrown in every other episdoe. Nowadays it seems to be all about the drama and about action.

 

October 8, 2012 6:20 pm  #22


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

Swanpride wrote:

on or another (I think the worst is the one with the ape human). But this is the basic concept for it. I doubt though that this concept really fits into what the american networks consider a good show. I think Columbo was the last one who really operated this way, with no action scenes thrown in every other episdoe. Nowadays it seems to be all about the drama and about action.

The Creeping Man was so incredibly bizarre I didn't know what to think. I just thought "Well, okay then..." and moved on. Where did ACD get the idea for that one? Jeez. One thing I like about Sherlock much, much more than Elementary is that 90 minutes gives it ample time to focus on every aspect of reaching a solution. The problem with any of these plotlines is that Sherlock Holmes isn't a real person and therefore it's impossible to write him as if he was. ACD made mistakes, Steven Moffat makes mistakes, Rob Doherty makes mistakes. I think everyone's preference depends somewhat on which mistakes they're more willing to overlook.


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October 8, 2012 10:55 pm  #23


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

kazza474 wrote:

Swanpride wrote:

The spirit of the book is fairly boring...basically Sherlock and Watson are sitting around in Baker Street, some sort of client turns up and tells a story in the most complicated manner possible, and the rest is about Sherlock deducing and Watson being in awe of his abilities. There are only a few stories in which Watson's abilities with a gun actually come in handy or there is actually a sense a of danger. Considering that I though Elementary was very boring to, the assessment might not be that much off the mark...

Well I guess if you are looking for action & adventure, the canon is not for you. What a horrifying description of these wonderful tales!
This is the problem today, with so much emphasis on action, blood & guts, shooting etc people want that in every detective story. But that is NOT what a detective story is about. And certainly NOT what ACD's canon is about.
The stories are more about the mental processes used to unravel mysteries, not all of which were murders or violence in any way. Becoming 'involved' in the canon is more a cerebral activity than one seeking adventure.
And that activity these days can be seen as you have described, as boring. Yet diehard ACD fans will tell you that is far from the truth.
It's an acquired taste and not one that can be achieved from one quick perusal of the works. I guess that is the downfall; there is no instant way to canon appreciation in this case.

I blame Guy Ritchie.


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October 26, 2012 3:20 am  #24


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One issue I have with this show after viewing a larger body of work is Sherlock's attainability as a genius. Jonny Lee Miller's Sherlock has more personality traits in common with me than any other adaptation I've seen. I actually find it kind of obnoxious.

Particularly his reaction when he sees Peter Talbott dead of an overdose. His reaction was really quite emotional. ("NO, I'M FINE, I'M WORKING ON A CASE")


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October 26, 2012 9:26 am  #25


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Has anyone keep watching it? I gave up sometimes in the middle of the pilot episode, because I was so utterly bored, didn't really manage to connect with the characters and the show pushed some of my annoyance buttons - hard. (Especially with the Joan Watson character, which I totally blame on the writing, the actress did her best). Well, that and it was too tiring trying to understand Holmes accent.

Either way, were the episodes later better of worse than the pilot?

 

October 26, 2012 6:42 pm  #26


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I had to force myself to watch all of the pilot because I wanted to give it a fair chance. But it just wasn't that interesting and took itself way too seriously. Did he smile once?
So to answer your question, no, I didn't. In fact, I completely forgot about it. I guess that says it all. What a waste. It could have been good.

 

October 27, 2012 6:44 pm  #27


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I watch it on Thursdays when I don't have too much homework, of which this Thursday was the first since the pilot. I felt like they've really gotten the show going. I liked the episode this week better than I liked the pilot, but...

Investment bankers consult Holmes
Holmes goes to an investment banker's home and finds a dead investment banker
Police show up
Police declare the death self-inflicted
Holmes finds evidence to the contrary
No one believes in his logic until the report from the lab comes back

This is not a plot summary of the opening of The Blind Banker.


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October 30, 2012 3:04 pm  #28


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As with most people, i wanted to hate the show. But I did'nt. I mean it was no Sherlock but it wasnt horrible (in terms of a cop show). In terms of a Sherlock Holmes adaptation I didnt think it was all that impressive

 

November 1, 2012 11:26 am  #29


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I watched the second episode last night and I must say it was a big improvement on the first episode. The plot was tight, the acting was strong all round. I especially liked the violin moments; the arson was hilarious and the final violin scene was touching. Gregson's character has been given more depth. It is very different from Sherlock but there are good aspects to this show. I thought I would hate it but I have approached it with an open mind and it is growing on me.


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November 22, 2012 10:08 pm  #30


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Well I've watched a couple more episodes. Seems that they are trying hard to write Watson into a full role, rather than sticking to something nearer to the canon. Tonight's episode verged on House at times. Also being particularly pernickety again but why on earth would an Englishman in New York write dates in the North American way when scribbling all over a blackboard? Some good, funny lines in tonight's episode but also other opportunities for comic relief missed- I assume due to direction as the potential was there in the script.


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November 22, 2012 10:39 pm  #31


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

Davina wrote:

Well I've watched a couple more episodes. Seems that they are trying hard to write Watson into a full role, rather than sticking to something nearer to the canon. Tonight's episode verged on House at times. Also being particularly pernickety again but why on earth would an Englishman in New York write dates in the North American way when scribbling all over a blackboard? Some good, funny lines in tonight's episode but also other opportunities for comic relief missed- I assume due to direction as the potential was there in the script.

Oh, I noticed that too! I also thought it was bizarre in last week's CBS episode (the plane crash) that he called the wrench a "wrench" and not a "spanner". I wish they would give JLM liberty to correct these errors, since to my knowledge he's the only Brit who appears regularly. If I'm American and I'm noticing, they must be pretty obvious.

Did anyone notice that in the episode now officially titled "The Plane Crash One," Watson is sitting in front of a display in the bookstore with The House of Silk featured quite prominently?


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November 22, 2012 10:45 pm  #32


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

Elementary Episodes According to Smoggy:

The First One
The One Where He Burns The Violin
The Child Snatcher One
Not 'The Blind Banker'
The House MD One
The Plane Crash One
The One Where Holmes Shreds the Letters


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November 22, 2012 10:50 pm  #33


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Haven't got as far as that one yet. We have just had the one set in the hospital (avoiding spoilers). Do you think the writer/producers think that the American viewing public won't be able to cope with a few authentic Britishisms? I would have thought that it would have just added some more authenticity. In this latest one I felt the balance between Sherlock's genius and Watson's medical expertise was out of kilter. It feels as if the story is in danger of become more about her than about him.


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November 22, 2012 11:09 pm  #34


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

Davina wrote:

Haven't got as far as that one yet. We have just had the one set in the hospital (avoiding spoilers). Do you think the writer/producers think that the American viewing public won't be able to cope with a few authentic Britishisms? I would have thought that it would have just added some more authenticity. In this latest one I felt the balance between Sherlock's genius and Watson's medical expertise was out of kilter. It feels as if the story is in danger of become more about her than about him.

Sorry, I'll be more careful. I didn't give away much. The "wrench" shows up in the first five minutes. I for one would like some Britishisms; Sherlock is bereft with them and I love it. "Holiday," "MOD," "tax on the car," "quid."


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November 23, 2012 8:32 am  #35


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Ah...I didn't mean you giving away spoilers. I missed The Child Snatcher one. For some reason it didn't get recorded. More Britishisms would certainly add a bit more colour. 


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December 20, 2012 5:44 am  #36


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

Update:
The One Where We Wonder What Excuse Watson Will Have for Staying
The Blind Banker Redux Redux
The One Where Holmes Has a Major Superiority Complex


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December 20, 2012 6:33 am  #37


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

Smoggy_London_Air wrote:

Update:
The One Where We Wonder What Excuse Watson Will Have for Staying
The Blind Banker Redux Redux
The One Where Holmes Has a Major Superiority Complex

This is me, just laughing....  ;D

And yes, while I didn't join in on the past/ongoing thread discussions about... ok, ok, I was one of those people who reacted to news of its creation with alarmed annoyance on principle and wanted to dislike, and while still have issues with some of their quirks and Watson's nature, hey... it's not a horrible show.  At least executed mostly well (the mysteries aren't bad, and honestly, considering some shows churned out, it could have ended up a lot cheesier or not look as good technically), and pretty fun for the most part, for a detective pair adventure.  Not the same, but fun for what it is, for the meantime.  But still, I'm laughing.   ;)


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December 21, 2012 4:58 am  #38


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Our entire show is The One Where Holmes Has a Major Superiority Complex.

It could have just turned out exactly like The Mentalist, and I'm glad that it didn't. I wouldn't bother watching it if it had.


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January 6, 2013 2:54 am  #39


Re: "My Elementary Review:"

Hey guys!
So.... I know opinions are over the board with the show-we-love-to-hate, or just plain indifferent, or hey, a few like me who find it fun enough to watch as long as don't get too mad about how truly "Holmesian" it is and just morbidly curious about where it goes (hey, gotta find some other interesting things to watch and tackle pile of stuff to read during this long hiatus... ;P).

Since most 'fall' shows that took a winter break are -finally- coming back, was just curious how many of you besides me tuned in to 'Elementary' last week (and... sure... the amused side of me wondering what Smoggy's alternate title for that one would be...  "The One With The Spies"?  ;)).  Thoughts?  I thought it was about staying on okay par with the rest... some amusing quips... not so bad clue/twist... Watson finally jumping in more... Holmes finally pointing out more that she likes it... ehh... still kind of "whatever, guys" at the tension they're trying to create with the 'will she stay or won't she, and what kind of agreement'.  The single part that got most of an eyebrow raise, though, was actually the teaser for next week.     Snrk.  Danger.... another case.... his greatest enemy... dun dun....  took his only love...  dun dun....  a legendary battle (with background image of one of those old-fashioned wax seals, with M stamped on it).  (can see here, if want: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F-NTJ88O3U)   Ohh.... kaay....   apprehensive, curious amusement, no?   Anyone?  Heh... I'm... uh... just gonna plop back down over here with my favorite boys and a dose of cautiously neutral wry thoughtfulness, then.  ;)


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January 6, 2013 3:20 am  #40


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Russell wrote:

Hey guys!
So.... I know opinions are over the board with the show-we-love-to-hate, or just plain indifferent, or hey, a few like me who find it fun enough to watch as long as don't get too mad about how truly "Holmesian" it is and just morbidly curious about where it goes (hey, gotta find some other interesting things to watch and tackle pile of stuff to read during this long hiatus... ;P).

Since most 'fall' shows that took a winter break are -finally- coming back, was just curious how many of you besides me tuned in to 'Elementary' last week (and... sure... the amused side of me wondering what Smoggy's alternate title for that one would be...  "The One With The Spies"?  ;)).  Thoughts?  I thought it was about staying on okay par with the rest... some amusing quips... not so bad clue/twist... Watson finally jumping in more... Holmes finally pointing out more that she likes it... ehh... still kind of "whatever, guys" at the tension they're trying to create with the 'will she stay or won't she, and what kind of agreement'.  The single part that got most of an eyebrow raise, though, was actually the teaser for next week.     Snrk.  Danger.... another case.... his greatest enemy... dun dun....  took his only love...  dun dun....  a legendary battle (with background image of one of those old-fashioned wax seals, with M stamped on it).  (can see here, if want: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F-NTJ88O3U)   Ohh.... kaay....   apprehensive, curious amusement, no?   Anyone?  Heh... I'm... uh... just gonna plop back down over here with my favorite boys and a dose of cautiously neutral wry thoughtfulness, then.  ;)


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