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August 24, 2012 3:26 pm #1


RAT. WEDDING. BOW.

16:19And here's what we've been waiting for - the three words that describe the episodes of Sherlock series three - Rat, Wedding, Bow. That's RAT. WEDDING. BOW. What does it mean?! Get Googling!

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s129/sherlock/news/a401513/sherlock-edinburgh-tv-festival-masterclass-live-blog.html

So "pipe, slippers, bed" was just a joke after all it seems :D

Well "Rat" seems to work with The Adventure of the Empty House.
The "Wedding" could be that of John Watson & Mary Morstan, or not. There are quite a lot of marriages in the stories.
But "Bow"? I mean it's just too early for His Last Bow, right?

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August 24, 2012 3:51 pm #2


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Arrggg!  John getting married could be the 'Wedding'!  Say it isn't so Moftiss 


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August 24, 2012 3:51 pm #3


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WEDDING
For me, clearly "The Adventure of Charles Augustus Milverton".
Sherlock, becoming engaged to Milverton's housemaid to marry her.
Great story, great villain.


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August 24, 2012 4:47 pm #4


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Thanks tobe.  I feel somewhat relieved    Will read the Milverton story tonight as soon as I get home.


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August 24, 2012 4:49 pm #5


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It's been a while since I read the canon.  Isn't there some story that has a Giant Rat of Sumatra, or am I thinking of something else.....


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August 24, 2012 5:31 pm #6


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RAT:

The Boscombe Valley mystery has an indirect reference to a rat.

WEDDING:

Wedding could be The Noble Bachelor where the groom disappears, leaving the bride at the altar. It could also be a reference to The Sign of the Four, where John meets Mary, and this leads to John's wedding. It could also reference The Illustrious Client, though A Scandal in Belgravia had a reference to this case in the meeting between Sherlock and the liaison.

There's also The Solitary Cyclist, which has a sham wedding in the end, as well as The Disappearance of Lady Frances Carfax, but it's more of a tangential reference to a wedding.

I think the creators goal is to reference each case in the canon either directly, by basing the episode on it, or indirectly through colorful references.

BOW:

Well, bow could be bow as in "His Last Bow", the last adventure of Sherlock Holmes chronologically, taking place during World War I. This would be fitting if the episode is meant to be the end of the series.


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August 24, 2012 8:09 pm #7


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Bow could be a bow of a ship too, or what you fire arrows with. Rat could be a reference to Lestrade I suppose if you refer to the canon description. Wedding? John's or perhaps the callous engagement? Just thinking here.


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August 24, 2012 8:27 pm #8


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Found this on Wikki:

Sherlock Holmes and the Giant Rat of Sumatra. Perhaps the best known giant rat in fiction comes from the pen of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, who in The Adventure of the Sussex Vampire has Sherlock Holmes declare, as an aside, to Dr. Watson:

Matilda Briggs was not the name of a young woman, Watson, ... It was a ship which is associated with the giant rat of Sumatra, a story for which the world is not yet prepared.
Quite how the ship, the mammal, and the Indonesian island are associated is not specified. There are a number of species of large rats on Sumatra, with one, Sundamys infraluteus, actually being referred to as the "giant rat of Sumatra". Rats commonly colonise ships, and so there is an obvious line of speculation.

Holmesianist Alan Saunders has argued that the reference is in fact to events connected with The Adventure of the Dying Detective, although he identifies the rat as the Large Bamboo Rat.[1] A number of authors of Sherlockiana have endeavoured to supply the missing adventure of the giant rat of Sumatra


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August 24, 2012 8:40 pm #9


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I knew the Giant Rat of Sumatra stuck in my mind because, of all the canon stories, I just happened to read 'The Adventure of the Sussex Vampire' two weeks ago.  The Rat might be promising for that reference - a story for which the world is not yet prepared!  Not only exciting but also "could be dangerous" .  Anyway, I'm putting my bet on the giant rat (as envisioned by the Moftiss).


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And I said "dangerous" and here you are.

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August 24, 2012 9:18 pm #10


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I don't recall any stories in the canon that have to do with a bow as in a bow and arrow. Bow for a ship could refer to the Gloria Scott or Abbey Grange, though it seems less likely given that "Woman, Hound, Fall" were rather overt references.

If one wants to go with the giant rat angle, one could imagine an interesting combination of The Empty House and The Speckled Band and/or The Sign of the Four that plays off a large rat creature. If Wedding refers to John's wedding, the Sign of the Four is the story that sets it up.


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August 25, 2012 4:21 am #11


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RAT - WEDDING - BOW

Just thought, what if it's invidudual lettters like H.O.U.N.D.? 
At least one or two of them?
R.A.T.: Return At Trafalgar Square/Tube station/Taxi stand
B.O.W.: Burial/Betrayal Of Watson


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August 25, 2012 4:30 am #12


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I love how Moftiss are playing cat-and-mouse with us, keeping the interest very much alive. I'll be rereading everything in the nearby future, but my current speculations are:
RAT. Quite possible "The Boscombe Valley Mystery", as not only there is an important reference to "Rat" in the story- which was short for Ballarat- but a secondary character, a fourteen-year-old daughter of the lodge- keeper is called Patience Moran. I am sure it was just coincidence/ forgetfulness on part of Conan Doyle, but  can see Moftiss making a thing out of it and combining "Empty House" with "Boscombe Valley" to deal with Sebastian Moran.
I'll have to re-read "The Sign of Four" to recall the rat reference there.
"Wedding" is the most ambiguous one. There are tons of cases featuring near-weddings, unhappy weddings etc. And, of course, there is Sherlock's engagement in Augustut Milverton" ( which I'd OVE for them to tackle!) and John's very real wedding to Mary Morstan. I'll have to come back to this one later.
"Bow". Most probably refering to "His Last Bow". Why? Becasue Moftiss wants us in hysterics that it's Sherlock's last case. So many articles say that's when Sherlock goes into retirement, which of course is false- that when he comes out of retirement. I do not believe for a second that they'll definitevely bring the series to an end. They might put it on hiatus- who knows- but this toy is too fun- not only for us, but for them as well.
My current theory on "Bow"- in "His Last Bow" Sherlock is undercover, flushing out a spy ring. Watson joins him late in the case, after they have not seen each other for years. Quite similar to "Empty House", where Sherlock is under cover flushing out Moriarty's criminal web, and he and John do not see each other for years. I do not see "Empty House" and "His Last Bow" in one season, unless they make an overall arc of Sherlock under cover dealing with a criminal ring ( or a spy ring... with computer codes etc it might well be one and the same) for the whole season 3. Which is possible. But that means no Baker Street and very little Ms. Hudson. Which woul not be fun. Ooooh, Moftiss, you wicked wicked men

 

August 25, 2012 1:03 pm #13


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2 videos, the first from the Edinburgh Masterclass

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/2012/aug/25/sherlock-mark-gatiss-video

and the second a post Masterclass interview 'creators reveal teasers'


http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/video/2012/aug/25/sherlock-series-three-video?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3486

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August 25, 2012 11:05 pm #14


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But didn't they tell the plane fangirl they wouldn't marry John?

And could the bow be a violin bow? (which, indeed, could be about any story)


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August 26, 2012 3:26 am #15


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Davina wrote:

Bow could be a bow of a ship too, or what you fire arrows with

There would be bunches of possible meanings for b-o-w here, except that kostgard on another forum posted this:

Folks who were at the event said it was "bow" like "Take a bow"

I assume that's referring to how Moffat pronounced the word.  So that eliminates, e.g., bow and arrow, violin bow, ribbon bow, bow tie, rainbow (etc., I'm sure!), and narrows it down to take a bow or bow to authority (or other related meanings) and ship's bow.


Lupin wrote:

If one wants to go with the giant rat angle, one could imagine an interesting combination of The Empty House and ... The Sign of the Four that plays off a large rat creature. If Wedding refers to John's wedding, the Sign of the Four is the story that sets it up.

Interesting.  Have been meaning to read that one anyhow.


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But didn't they tell the plane fangirl they wouldn't marry John?

Here's that bit from Emma's blog:

... I had a sudden attack of fangirl feels when I was chatting about series 3 with Mark and I kinda blurted out ‘Please don’t marry off John Watson!’ and he just smirked and said ‘I’m not going to marry John Watson!’ and I died.

... which I take to be Gatiss saying that he himself would not marry John!

 

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