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July 14, 2012 1:25 pm  #41


Re: The Pilot

Did you notice that Speedy's wasn't Speedys but Mrs Hudson's Snax and Sarnies or something like that? So she was originally meant to be making sandwiches instead of being Sherlock's housekeeper?


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"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

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July 17, 2012 12:56 pm  #42


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Yeah. I think that was just a bit silly. I'm glad it reverted to Speedy's. The trade generated from the series must be great for them.


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July 22, 2012 4:23 am  #43


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While watching the pilot for the nth time (where n=many), during the early scene where John is having lunch with Mike Stamford at the Criterion, I noticed that a couple of the "extras" behind Mike appear to be Beryl Vertue (Executive Producer) and Arwel Wyn Jones (Production Designer).  They were probably willing to work cheap!

 

July 22, 2012 4:24 am  #44


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Carol the Dabbler wrote:

While watching the pilot for the nth time (where n=many), during the early scene where John is having lunch with Mike Stamford at the Criterion, I noticed that a couple of the "extras" behind Mike appear to be Beryl Vertue (Executive Producer) and Arwel Wyn Jones (Production Designer).  They were probably willing to work cheap!

Really? oh I must look, thanks for that & welcome!
You're well studied on this series I see; love that!


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July 22, 2012 4:54 am  #45


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I always wonder how many cameos I am missing - I tend not to slow down and rewind etc, ... anyway, I bet there are SO MANY MORE CAMEOS!


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July 22, 2012 5:05 am  #46


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kazza474 wrote:

You're well studied on this series I see; love that!

Hmm, actually I think the word is obsessive -- Sherlock is just such a fantastically good series!

 

July 22, 2012 5:11 am  #47


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Bloody good materials from Sir ACD and bloody got contemporary actors - an unbeatable combination!


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July 23, 2012 8:08 pm  #48


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There are of course quite a few lines, scenes, etc. that were added to the original 60-minute story in order to flesh it out to 90 minutes.  However, after watching both versions again, I just realized that there's a short sequence of lines that are in the 90 but not in the 60, even though they were in the original script.

I'm basing that italicized assertion on one section of the documentary from the Season 1 DVD, where they show Benedict Cumberbatch doing an early table read, before Martin Freeman was cast.  He's reading some of Sherlock's lines from the crime scene (something like):  "They're not suicides, they're killings, all of them. ... It's a serial killer -- oh, I love those!"  These lines do not appear in the finished pilot, but they were resurrected for the 90-minute episode.

No big deal, just kind of interesting.

 

July 24, 2012 3:11 am  #49


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"They're not suicides, they're killings, all of them. ... It's a serial killer"

I noticed the same just the other day..

.. slightly related: let's hope the Powers To Be publish the aired scripts one day (soon)!


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July 24, 2012 4:00 am  #50


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Someone who's on the internet as Ariane DeVere (just Google on that name) has painstakingly transcribed all three of the second-season episodes.  So these are effectively, as you say, the aired scripts -- rather than the shooting scripts (I believe that even the "final" shooting scripts typically get modified during filming).

She has also written up semi-transcripts of, I believe, all of the DVD commentaries (by "semi" I mean that she quotes and/or summarizes the parts that she finds most interesting).

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July 24, 2012 4:34 am  #51


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Carol the Dabbler wrote:

There are of course quite a few lines, scenes, etc. that were added to the original 60-minute story in order to flesh it out to 90 minutes.  However, after watching both versions again, I just realized that there's a short sequence of lines that are in the 90 but not in the 60, even though they were in the original script.

I'm basing that italicized assertion on one section of the documentary from the Season 1 DVD, where they show Benedict Cumberbatch doing an early table read, before Martin Freeman was cast.  He's reading some of Sherlock's lines from the crime scene (something like):  "They're not suicides, they're killings, all of them. ... It's a serial killer -- oh, I love those!"  These lines do not appear in the finished pilot, but they were resurrected for the 90-minute episode.

No big deal, just kind of interesting.

I thought Martin was in that script reading. Regardless, it could have been a reading for the 90 minute one. I'll check it out anyway; not much else to do lol.


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Mycroft’s popularity doesn’t surprise me at all. He is, after all, incredibly beautiful, clever and well-dressed. And beautiful. Did I mention that?
--Mark Gatiss

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I’m not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant."
Robert McCloskey
 

July 24, 2012 4:10 pm  #52


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Actually, they showed two readings, one after the other.  The first was just Benedict Cumberbatch reading the lines above (and not sounding quite like the Sherlock that we know).  The second, which I take to have been Martin Freeman's tryout, was with both of them reading lines from the scene where they've just texted the murderer, sounding very much like "our" Sherlock and John.

The point that they appeared to be making by showing the two readings was the importance of the chemistry, that Cumberbatch hadn't quite "found" Sherlock until Freeman came into the picture -- so the implication was that both readings occurred very early in the process, certainly before the pilot was made.

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July 24, 2012 7:44 pm  #53


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I just watched that reading last night, I think, in one of the special features on the DVD. I didn't think it particularly showed the chemistry, but as we know, it all shows up in the final product.

Got to introduce the Pilot to houseguests. They enjoyed it, but agreed it was inferior to the eventual series.

 

July 24, 2012 7:56 pm  #54


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I just bought the season 1 & 2 DVDs and was pleased to find that the 2nd DVD of the 2nd season includes the pilot--  yayy! I'd only seen it on you tube before. I look forward to seeing this again-- Sherlock in jeans, OMG, yum, and a shirt that wasn't black or navy blue. And he's so smiley and pleasant in the pilot, compared to how he/they decided to play him later, a bit darker and edgier. As I said earlier, watching the pilot is kind of Twilight-Zone-ish-- most of the same actors, most of the lines of ASiP, but every single one of the sets was different-- a bit like being caught in a strange dream. Wheeee!

 

July 24, 2012 7:58 pm  #55


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Carol the Dabbler wrote:

The point that they appeared to be making by showing the two readings was the importance of the chemistry, that Cumberbatch hadn't quite "found" Sherlock until Freeman came into the picture -- so the implication was that both readings occurred very early in the process, certainly before the pilot was made.

Instant chemistry, apparently, something no one can manufacture. Lovely, the two of them. The chemistry just glows off the screen, too. Seriously, can you imagine Benedict without Martin at this point? I know the show's called Sherlock, and Sherlock is our #1 man, but could they even continue the series without Martin? I hope when the contracts are drawn up, his agent holds out for the big bucks (or whatever pounds are called); he is worth every penny.

 

July 24, 2012 8:13 pm  #56


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I agree with everything you write, Ancientsgate. If you watch the pilot and the final version you see the difference between a good and a truly great film. Everything is there in embryo but it has to grow and develop into something even better. How lucky that they got the chance to do it again. And it proves that a Sherlock film is always about Sherlock AND John. If there's no chemistry between the actors the best script becomes useless.


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"To fake the death of one sibling may be regarded as a misfortune; to fake the death of both looks like carelessness." Oscar Wilde about Mycroft Holmes

"It is what it is says love." (Erich Fried)

“Enjoy the journey of life and not just the endgame. I’m also a great believer in treating others as you would like to be treated.” (Benedict Cumberbatch)

http://up.picr.de/28609194so.png

 
 

July 24, 2012 8:29 pm  #57


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SusiGo wrote:

it proves that a Sherlock film is always about Sherlock AND John. If there's no chemistry between the actors the best script becomes useless.

I've finally found the time to start reading the original ACD canon. The first Sherlock Holmes story, A Study in Scarlet, is written in John's POV--- that's telling right there, about his importance in the Sherlock 'verse. It was through John's eyes that the world first met and got to know Sherlock.

 

July 24, 2012 8:30 pm  #58


Re: The Pilot

Yes, I, for one,  probably would've kept watching based on the pilot, but I wouldn't have become obsessed enough to say...join a forum!

 

July 24, 2012 9:27 pm  #59


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Bucks= quid in the UK (not quids)


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July 25, 2012 5:18 am  #60


Re: The Pilot

I happened to watch it yesterday only and am so glad now that the pilot version was not approved!! Otherwise, I might have just liked it, but probably wouldn't have gone ahead and watched the whole series. For me, more than the serial-suicide mystery, the thing that attracted me to this episode was the strong characterization..Sherlock is a very different Sherlock in the pilot..Just an intelligent detective we often see in other serials...but the real SIP presents him as just 'one-of-his kind' creature in the world.. There can't be anyone like him.. He's more sharp, more eccentric and funnier in the real version...And, one big let down of the pilot is that bad use of BACKGROUND MUSIC!!! Even when he says.. "The Game, Mrs. Hudson, is on!" ..doesn't create the kind of impact that it does in the real SIP bcoz of the improper use of background music... Moreover, I personally like to see longer duration suspense serials.. 


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