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General Sherlock Discussion » How would your perfect S5 look like? » Yesterday 10:28 pm

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I still think John's bedroom (which we haven't seen, so it could be huge! So could be easily partitioned).  Much nicer for her to be near her dad at night, especially when she's little.  Or maybe it's just that I want to keep the living room as it is! 

General Sherlock Discussion » How would your perfect S5 look like? » January 22, 2018 9:06 pm

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She could just share John's bedroom for a while, although it might get a bit awkward as she gets older and wants some privacy.  Maybe the room would be big enough to partition, though.  Or John could sleep in the living room.  Or Rosie could move in with Mrs Hudson?

General Sherlock Discussion » How would your perfect S5 look like? » January 22, 2018 8:13 am

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I think they've shown that a child isn't going to "get in the way", so it would be perfectly possible.  I'm just kind of attached to non-child-friendly 221B.  But people move on, and I can see it could change without losing too much of it's character.  It wouldn't really be an issue with an older child/teenager. 

General Sherlock Discussion » How would your perfect S5 look like? » January 21, 2018 12:07 pm

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It's not the living together, it's 221B itself.  It would have to change in character to accommodate a child, I think.   It's a fun place for a teenager but maybe not ideal for a growing child.  However, we never see John's bedroom so I suppose that could just be assumed to be the perfect space for play, homework, etc.  Actually, Sherlock's bedroom would be fine too, with some toys, etc.  And of course the living room could be made child-friendly: I'm just saying that it would have a different feel. 

It also depends on how long it takes it for S5, and how far they jump ahead in time!  It would be an easy option to send Rosie to boarding school, if they didn't want her playing too large a part.

The Sign of Three » Some things that are puzzling me » January 19, 2018 10:30 am

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I don't think he saw a paper invitation: I think Tess told him.  I think the quote means in the sense of finding the information he needed.  He wouldn't have needed to know much more than that there was an invitation - for instance, Tess mentioning that her employer had been invited to John Watson, the blogger's wedding, or Sherlock Holmes' partner's wedding, something like that.  From there, it would be easy enough to find the date and the venue.  (Although maybe she told him that too!  But she wouldn't need to). 

Films » Tips for DVDs with Great Bonus Materials? » January 18, 2018 1:07 pm

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I bought the Blade Runner 5 DVD Ultimate Collector's Edition for less than a tenner a few years ago!  Sounds like I got a bargain!  It came with some art postcards too.   Maybe it's more expensive now that the new film has made it more popular - or maybe it's just getting rarer.  The LOTR collection (with all the extended editions, etc.) was about £15 I think, a few years ago. 

At the moment, I have my eye on a David Lynch collection on Amazon (if you search for David Lynch box set, it should come up).  Six feature films and lots of extras (short films, documentary, etc.) for a tenner.  I haven't bought it yet, because there is one review saying the sound is bad, and because I tend to watch streaming films rather than DVDs these days.   But that might be worth a look, if you're a fan (and price-conscious!).  The collection of short films looks interesting.

Martin Freeman » Favourite Martin pics » January 17, 2018 6:56 am

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How cute is that dog? http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/love.png

It's Canon » Johnlock: The Official Debate » January 16, 2018 7:04 pm

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He's in the role of a very involved uncle!  Maybe he would also get very involved with organising things (like he did with the wedding).  I think he would be very protective.  He lost seeing his little sister grow up, and it might be nice for him to be invested in another child - maybe for Mycroft to have another chance to get it right too.

It's Canon » Johnlock: The Official Debate » January 16, 2018 6:03 pm

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I think that if the series was to continue, we would see Rosie being looked after by Mrs Hudson or "friends" so that John and Sherlock could go on their adventures.  I would like John and Sherlock to live together, but I have mixed feelings about a child at 221B, just because I think it would change the atmosphere of the place if it became "child-friendly" (although I could see it more with an older child or teenager).   I do see Sherlock as being involved whether or not Rosie lives there - if John's family, Rosie is family, and he made a vow to her, and we see him being good with her in S4.

It's Canon » Johnlock: The Official Debate » January 15, 2018 7:02 pm

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I'm very happy with what we got.  I wasn't expecting Johnlock anyway, but I do think we saw a lot of development in their relationship.  In fact, TLD may be more "about" their relationship than any other episode.  That hug was just perfect. 

But then, I wasn't looking for or particularly wanting a romance (not because I didn't want them to get together, but because I'm not a huge fan of the genre - although there are some romances that are among my favourite films/books, so I'm obviously hugely generalising).  I got what I wanted out of it, and I suppose I can understand why people who didn't were so upset.  Especially with so much resting on it.  I do hope the people in the community who were so invested in it (for their own identity and validation) have not been too upset and found something more rewarding to move on to. 

Anyway, I don't think they are living together at the end of S4, but I don't think it really matters.  They're clearly a partnership, "family", and in my head canon they will be until death .

It's Canon » Johnlock: The Official Debate » January 15, 2018 7:48 am

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I don't think it's boring, but I do think it's different now that the question has been answered. 

I know I'm giving some of the same arguments, and I apologise, but it is difficult when we don't have any new material!  I just don't have any new answers to the points Susi brought up!   (And I don't know if the post that was linked was really a fresh idea.  The idea that "moving on" is ambiguous is right there in the script because it leads into Mrs Hudson's misinterpretation).   I suppose things might mean something different in the light of S4, and maybe there are still things to discuss there, but in the end, I think we do know now that it wasn't intended to be a sexual/romantic relationship.  And that almost puts an end to the argument, or at least a different slant on everything. 

Of course, it's still possible that other members of the crew (not the writers and actors) were shipping them! 

It's Canon » Johnlock: The Official Debate » January 14, 2018 9:19 pm

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If they were doing it for viewing figures, I don't think they'd have been so passionate about insisting that it wasn't going to happen!  http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png

It's Canon » Johnlock: The Official Debate » January 14, 2018 6:27 pm

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My guess is that it's not intentional at all.  I have wondered in the past if it was, but I think not.  I think it's just that characters do tend to get "shipped", and we see things there that were never intended (it IS difficult to interpret facial expressions, etc).  I think both actors have been clear that they haven't been playing the characters that way too. 

It's Canon » Johnlock: The Official Debate » January 14, 2018 4:44 pm

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Yes, I don't think it ever really does stray into romance (except in the broad sense).  I don't get the feeling that they actually fancy each other. 

Character Analysis » Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study » January 13, 2018 9:36 pm

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I get the impression it might be more associated with being straight, if anything, after Fifty Shades.  But of course, the pilot would have been shown before that book was out. 

Anyway, I found the panel (although the sound is a bit variable in this recording)! https://rts.org.uk/article/sherlock-anatomy-hit-%E2%80%93-event-report-and-video

Martin Freeman » Favourite Martin pics » January 13, 2018 5:52 pm

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I still think of him as Paul Weller from The Jam, which is really showing my age!  Both Paul and Martin were (possibly still are!) mods, which is a style you don't see much these days.  Both are looking pretty cool in that photo! 

 

Character Analysis » Sherlock’s Sexuality: An In-Depth Contemplation and Study » January 13, 2018 8:28 am

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I don't know whether to laugh or be disturbed that people saw his beating a dead body as part of his sexuality!   But maybe it's just because riding crops are more commonly seen as sex toys these days.  Perhaps not so much in ACD's day.  (I'm assuming people would have thought he was straight if it was a woman's body?  Never mind the issues of consent, necrophilia, etc!)

What's this from?  Is there a link to the whole panel - it looks good!

It's Canon » Johnlock: The Official Debate » January 13, 2018 8:10 am

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I think that also there's a set up for Mrs Hudson's misunderstanding.   So yes, it could be interpreted in a romantic way, which is how Mrs Hudson (mistakenly!) hears it.   But that's from her point of view of assuming they were boyfriends.   We know that they weren't "together" in that way (whatever people's interpretation of their feelings towards each other!), and I think it's clear that John wasn't implying that they were.

I think Mrs Hudson's warning is purely about friendship.  She talks about how her friendship with her best friend changed after the wedding, which plays into Sherlock's fear. The same with Sholto - it's John's friendship with him that makes him that makes Sherlock jealous. (If he was jealous in the romantic sense, then he would be jealous because of Mary, John's current lover!).

Mycroft's comment - again, he seems to be talking about friendships changing after marriage, in the same way as Mrs Hudson - the end of an era.  After TST, I do wonder if he was also alluding to the fact that Mary was likely to be killed soon, and Sherlock would be hurt again.  He uses the "Redbeard" trigger, doesn't he? 

Mary's comment about neither of them being the first doesn't make any sense if she meant only as lovers - I just can't see it as Mary thinking that Sherlock has been seeing John as a lover (and that Sholto is also a lover).   Again, I think it's the friendship theme - Sherlock wasn't John's first antisocial best friend, much to his chagrin.  (The point being, I think, that Mary isn't the first [serious?] girlfriend, but is the one John is with now - that's what matters). 

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